Coaching interview updates

[poorboysrev]

1 minute ago, Bear Hands said:

We’ll be waiting a few weeks if this is Moore, Steichen, Kafka or Dorsey.

If there’s no traction after a few days of Payton rumors & having interviewed guys like Reich, Evero, etc. my bet is on one of those four still in the playoffs.

 

I know folks are impatient but  I’d like to see them at least interview Kafka 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, poorboysrev said:

I know folks are impatient but  I’d like to see them at least interview Kafka 

preach

[poorboysrev]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

preach

Right..great coaching tree he’s gotten to learn from and just the eye test of watching the giants offense 

[PanthersGTI]

I hope we don't jump on Payton before we can get Kafka and possibly Steichen in the building. I am also interested in the Broncos D coordinator. Apparently he was the guy that kept that locker room together and had that D playing at amazing levels even though their offense couldn't produce all year. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, Wolfcop said:

Did you read the Athletic article about Evero, Scott? Dude is going to be a stud. We may look back in 5-10 years and wish he would have been the hire. Heck, maybe he rocks the interview and makes Tepper consider it now. 

I think he's a worthy interview for certain But he's probably on the wrong side of the ball to get the job here.

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I've read it elsewhere too, can't remember where, but it's why I have never taken the Payton to Denver stuff serious no matter what they throw at him.  They are stuck with Wilson for the foreseeable future after him looking like absolute poo this year, and the philosophy just doesn't match up for a coach who has made his living with mostly scheming passes over the middle of the field with a QB whose biggest weakness is seeing the middle of the field.

Payton wants full control.

If Tepper is stupid enough to give it to him, especially after specifically stating he wasn't going to do that again...

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

I totally get the skepticism surrounding Payton and I also understand straight up not wanting him. But I do wonder if he has more leverage than we think. If he’s decided that this is the job he wants, he can hold the Saints hostage a bit. They’re obviously going to want to get something for him - and if this is the job he wants he can tell them he’s only taking the Carolina job. So he can say it’s that or he’ll just wait out his contract the next year or two to where they wouldn’t get anything for him.

That doesn't really hurt the Saints that much.

Honestly, it's probably worse for him being out of the league for a couple of cycles when he's not getting any younger.

[FuFuLamePoo]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That doesn't really hurt the Saints that much.

Honestly, it's probably worse for him being out of the league for a couple of cycles when he's not getting any younger.

His age is a bit overblown imo. Not even 60 yet he could easily coach 10+ more years.

[UNCrules2187]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That doesn't really hurt the Saints that much.

Honestly, it's probably worse for him being out of the league for a couple of cycles when he's not getting any younger.

Todd Bowles is 59, Mike McCarthy is 59, John Harbaugh is 60, Ron Rivera is 61, Andy Reid is 64, Belichick is 70, Pete Carroll is 71. I don't think Payton taking another year off is really going to hurt his mystique or give him a lack of options. Owners will chase after him and if he takes a couple of years off to recharge, I could see him easily coaching another decade (he just turned 59 last month).

[Growl]

really don’t think we’re missing out on anything with Kafka tbh

 

[UNCrules2187]

Honestly, what scares me most about Payton (aside from acquisition cost) is the track record of successful HCs who take a year or more off before returning to the league:

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Successful in their first job, but at least a year between their head coaching opportunities (the “Mike”):

Mike McCarthy had an incredibly successful run with the Packers starting in 2006. After an 8-8 season that year, the Packers won at least 10 games in eight of the next ten seasons, including a Super Bowl victory after the 2010 season. However, the Packers couldn’t maintain that excellence forever, and McCarthy was fired during the 2018 season, going 12-16-1 in his final two years. Spending a year outside of the NFL, he re-emerged in 2020 as the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

The Cowboys appear primed for success behind young stars Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott, and after a decade of mediocrity under Jason Garrett, they are eager to prove themselves. Tenacity aside, here’s a word of caution for Cowboys fans: this coaching group rarely works out.

“Mikes” tie for the largest number of repeat coaching hires; twenty-three of the 66 rehired coaches fall under this group. After winning an average of 58% of their games in their first job, or at least for nine wins every year, their average win percentage drops down to 39% with their next team, translating to only six wins per season. Most of the coaches in this group had amazing success in their first job that failed to develop in their next job.

Vince Lombardi won five championships with the Packers, but he only went 7-5-2 and missed the playoffs in his sole season with the Washington Redskins. Jimmy Johnson won two Super Bowls with the Cowboys in the 90s. He only won two playoff games with the Dolphins in his four seasons as their head coach.

However, the largest drop-off in success belongs to George Seifert. After winning two Super Bowls and 75% of his games in San Francisco, he was tasked with leading the expansion team, Carolina Panthers. In three seasons, the Panthers won 16 games and endured a then-record 15 consecutive losses.

While bringing in a “Mike” to turn around the franchise seems like a sure thing, only 4 of the 23 coaches in this group won more games than they lost with their second team.

 

https://pro-football-history.com/blog/10/18/redemption-or-retread

Ironically, Mike McCarthy has so far nearly replicated his GB winning % with Dallas (.618 regular season with GB, .600 with Dallas; .556 playoff with GB, .500 with Dallas) so maybe there's hope yet. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

1 minute ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Honestly, what scares me most about Payton (aside from acquisition cost) is the track record of successful HCs who take a year or more off before returning to the league:

https://pro-football-history.com/blog/10/18/redemption-or-retread

Ironically, Mike McCarthy has so far nearly replicated his GB winning % with Dallas (.618 regular season with GB, .600 with Dallas; .556 playoff with GB, .500 with Dallas) so maybe there's hope yet. 

Seifert inherited the best roster in the league when he got to SF. Payton took over the leagues laughing stock and turned it into a 15-year juggernaut. Plenty of coaches have done well at multiple stops. Parcels the best example, and Pederson is currently killing it in Jacksonville. I don’t worry too much about that - Payton has proven he’s one of the best in the world at doing this.

[rippadonn]

Teppers pursuit of Sean Payton will be hard, fast and end with a cuddle. It was inevitable once he left the Saints. Those of us paying attention knew David Tepper has a huge man crush for Payton.

I'm OK with that Dave, just as long as you GET HIM, now by any means.

Someone already mentioned it, there is no bigger Panthers/Saints insider than Roman Harper and now he's singing the same tune. That puts the percentage up to astronomical. Prepare to welcome SP.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/roman-harper-panthers-fans-would-freakin-love-sean-payton/ar-AA16sc7q

 

 

[Samppson]

49 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

His age is a bit overblown imo. Not even 60 yet he could easily coach 10+ more years.

I agree, I think people look way to long of term when they are talking head coaches, reality is most are fired if not successful by year 3, even if they have success, its super super rare for one to coach in one place for over 10 years. If we could say get 7-8 good years with Payton, thats a slam dunk hire.