Fitterer Burned us, but he can fix it.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I didnt want Rhule(tired to bump those threads, but anything over 2 years cannot......) nor did I want fat mike........ In alllllllllllll my brilliant thinking and looking over alllllll the potential coaches, I came to the decision that Josh McDaniels was the best choice....

Same.

I'd still take him as an OC in a heartbeat. Head coach? Not so much.

27 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Fair take.

Currently Im 50/50 on finessererer. I do believe Rhule had full control and for a few moves allowed finnesererer full control. Just guessing about which, i feel the QBs ones fall on Rhule. 

Plus after herniay gave the fan-base hernias, it shouldnt be asking much for the next GM to be/do better. I think most have a unfair expectation for what is a NFL GM is. example; drafting-wise, what equals a good-to-great draft class....believe it or not its just 2 starters and one super-sub/STer. Free ageny- its even a wiiiider net that must be thrown with "hit" rate being something like 20%. It feels to me most fans think a NFL GM must draft and any signed free agents the "hit" rate needs to be nearly 100%.....and they non-stop harp on "one" failed pick or FA.

In closing- I do also feel Rhule while still in full control, heavily leaned on Finessererererer come draft time duties. Results form the last two combined classes have been above average returns and most of it was with Rhule screwing up the development of many of them. ie Christ, TMJ, Franklin, Tremble, etc. 

I got no strong opinion on keeping him(feels like tepper 100% will) or if it was a total rebuild with a new GM/scouts. 

Pretty much every behind the scenes story that's come out confirms Rhule made the quarterback decisions. The one notable exception being the fifth year option on Darnold but given what we've seen from him this year, I don't have as much of a problem with that as I did.

[Mr. Scot]

28 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Haha, so true.  Marty Hurney the genius.  Should've included this gem in my reasons Tepper should leave the crucial decisions to others with a proven track record of winning at the NFL level.

Been beating this drum for years...

[Ivan The Awesome]

5 hours ago, glenwo2 said:

"Fitterer made some mistakes but learned from them, imo"

Literal Thesis. 

[Knaakedup]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not convinced Stroud fixes anything.

If he fell to us, okay. Trading extra picks for him? That's a no.

People lament us not being bold, but we have been. Hell, we were extremely bold a few years back. Specifically, when we hired a college coach, gave him a massive contract and full roster control.

And now we're here...again.

I don't really give a sh-t about "bold". I want smart.

Well, it could be bold and smart. Bold with Rhule had disaster written all over it as soon as he opened his mouth. I wouldn’t let that stop us from continuing to find a real solution for the QB.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Alright cool.  Based on what you just described burns as, do you think he is worth more then 2 firsts and a second?   

I think hes worth atleast a first. The problem with 2 first is that 1 of those picks has to go into replacing him. you wont get both picks the same year. the other 2 probably go into trading up for a qb. I dont love this qb class.  I feel sitting ar 8-10 levis or stroud will be there at worse case AR-15. 

Trading a young pro bowler who has proven he can get 12 sacks a year and still getting better for a unknown commodity is a risk. 2 first and a second is a bounty i get it. On paper it is definitely the winning side but its also a risk. 

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Are we talking about the same Fields that, for much of the game, had less than 50 passing yards yesterday in a blowout loss?

Outside of his running ability (which at some point will get him killed ala RGIII), what other QB quality does he have that is good.

His fanboys making excuses for the Bears organization.  Granted, in regards they aren't wrong about the organization, but on the Fields fanboy level, they aren't right either.  They will plop him into scenario 'X' and say he'd kill it there.  Projection at it's absolute most implosive level.
"well if he were on the Chiefs or 49ers"...well, if I only had the winning Powerball numbers before I picked my slate.   There's a reason sh!tty team pick at the top of the draft......

Edited January 3, 2023 by 45catfan

[CRA]

4 hours ago, top dawg said:

I agree, but only when they basically get married at the same time. Fitterer came into an arranged marriage after Rhule and Hurney's forced marriage, and he came in there with his male parts under lock and key. 

True.  But that’s the unmarried cycle doing what it does. Because Hurney wasn’t let go with Ron.   Which he should have been.   

now we are going to enter another new era.  With a HC and GM not married if Fitt stays.   

so when trouble comes, Fitt goes on the chopping block.  Because Tepp won’t want to admit to two back to back coaching fails.  Fitt goes under the bus.   Which would be easy to sell. 

I want a new GM and a new HC.  2 that believe in the same type team and the same type way of going about winning.   With the same time clock, goals, etc.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

True.  But that’s the unmarried cycle doing what it does. Because Hurney wasn’t let go with Ron.   Which he should have been.   

now we are going to enter another new era.  With a HC and GM not married if Fitt stays.   

so when trouble comes, Fitt goes on the chopping block.  Because Tepp won’t want to admit to two back to back coaching fails.  Fitt goes under the bus.   Which would be easy to sell. 

I want a new GM and a new HC.  2 that believe in the same type team and the same type way over going about winning.   With the same time clock, goals, etc. 

That doesn't happen often, and I haven't seen anything indicating it's a superior arrangement.

[Mr. Scot]

29 minutes ago, Knaakedup said:

Well, it could be bold and smart. Bold with Rhule had disaster written all over it as soon as he opened his mouth. I wouldn’t let that stop us from continuing to find a real solution for the QB.

It's far from guaranteed.

Case in point...

 

[top dawg]

57 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Literal Thesis. 

Not fully. I think that he has shown a willingness to learn and displayed some growth, but what he does in the months ahead (if he gets the opportunity) will tell us whether he has taken the lessons of failure to heart.

[45catfan]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's far from guaranteed.

Case in point...

 

But that arm!!!!!!

[Shocker]

Outside of QB he has been great.  Just need to find one

[Carl Spackler]

I don’t get how people can think poorly of Wilks, when his average level of success is better than Fitterer’s — and yet people think Fitterer is the right guy at GM. 

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I don’t get how people can think poorly of Wilks, when his average level of success is better than Fitterer’s — and yet people think Fitterer is the right guy at GM. 

Fitterer didn't give us the Bengals and Steelers debacles along with the inability to cover go routes during the Bucs game.  Some good, some bad...but the bad outweighed the good.