The competent thing to do.

[cookinbrak]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At least you tried something different. Leaving Evans singled up was begging to lose. Try to find other instances in the NFL where a single receiver has 3 DEEP TDs against single man coverage. It's rare for multiple reasons but one of the key ones is that you're gonna stop leaving that guy on an island because you realize that isn't working.

And Evans knew it. He was calling for the ball right after the snap.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Try to find other instances in the NFL where a single receiver has 3 DEEP TDs against single man coverage. It's rare for multiple reasons but one of the key ones is that you're gonna stop leaving that guy on an island because you realize that isn't working.

Definitely seen plenty of games where a single receiver killed an opposing defense, sometimes even a good defense.

Hell, Steve Smith "happening" to a dominant Bears defense in 2003 was as good as anything.

[lumbeecheraw75]

Bonus) Revel in the fact that we will (probably) never have to see him again

[LinvilleGorge]

55 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Definitely seen plenty of games where a single receiver killed an opposing defense, sometimes even a good defense.

Hell, Steve Smith "happening" to a dominant Bears defense in 2003 was as good as anything.

But was it all from deep shot 9 routes? That's the thing. That specifically is something relatively easy to negate by rolling a safety over the top. If a guy is carving you up all over the field with a whole route tree that's a lot tougher to deal with.

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But was it all from deep shot 9 routes? That's the thing. That specifically is something relatively easy to negate by rolling a safety over the top. If a guy is carving you up all over the field with a whole route tree that's a lot tougher to deal with.

Smith scored on plays of 58 and 39 yards in that game. I remember one being a sideline go route. Don't remember the other and stat summaries typically don't list what route a player scored on, but Smith "happened" to a lot of teams that same way.

As far as yesterday, our safeties were Jeremy Chinn, Xavier Woods and TJ Carrie. I'm not sure any one of them, including Chinn, makes a big difference yesterday.

I get what you're saying. I just don't think it would have mattered.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Side note: I still think they should have went for it both times on 4th and short. I know on the first one TB didn’t score, but anytime we can keep the ball away from Brady, I’m all for it.

Failing to go for it was one of those "safe" moves that in reality wasn't safe. If you think merely making Brady cover an extra 30-40 yards was your best bet when deciding what to do on 4th and short, I question your competence as an NFL coach. This is dinosaur level thinking from a bygone football era that essentially shifts blame away from the coach not having the guts to go for it, and onto the players for being unable to do things they're physically incapable of doing.

 

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

The Niners gave up 400 yards of offense and 3 touchdowns to Jarrett Stidham yesterday and had to take it to overtime to put the Raiders away. There is no path to the playoffs where you are going to win with an offense putting up less than 30 points.

To some degree I'm with you, but let's tone down the hyperbole so it doesn't become misinformation.  No team is averaging 30 points a game this year. None. Zero.

Only 7 teams are averaging more than 25 points a game. 14 teams make the playoffs and Green Bay with the 14th most prolific offense in the league this year is averaging 22 points a game.

The 14th best scoring defense (NO) is giving up just a hair under 21 points a game.

A more accurate statement would be to say you need to consistently score more than 20 while having a D good enough to keep your opponents to about that or less.

Btw, the best scoring defense is giving up 16.5 and the best scoring offense is averaging 29. That means the spread from 14th best to best for both offense and defense is a handful of points.

Ultimately is it a league in which you can win championships anymore by having a dominant defense and a middle of the road offense? i agree the answer to that is no, I just wanna be a little more realistic about the actual numbers.

[Castavar]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At least you tried something different. Leaving Evans singled up was begging to lose. Try to find other instances in the NFL where a single receiver has 3 DEEP TDs against single man coverage. It's rare for multiple reasons but one of the key ones is that you're gonna stop leaving that guy on an island because you realize that isn't working.

True. I don't even think I've seen Tyreke Hill score on three different go routes in one game. That was just some college sh*t that we witnessed.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, parker said:

Then the posts would be, "why didn't we double team Godwin. We failed to adjust to stop him."

I think this gets to a core reason why conservative coaches throw up their hands and go down with the ship even though they know it won't work. It's not about giving yourself some chance, however slight, by going on it on 4th and short at midfield, or doubling up the WR eating you alive right now, or blitzing every play even though you know it's dicey.

It's about doing the "safe" expected thing rather than trying something radical that might give you a tiny bit better chance because as the coach you tend to get less criticism directed at you when you do the expected thing. When you go for it and take the nontraditional approach, if it doesn't work, fans will second guess it.

The coach I want for my team does the thing that gives his team the best chance to win, even knowing sometimes that the increased chance is tiny and more likely to cause shade to be thrown his way, but prioritizes winning over avoiding criticism, because criticism is just part of the gig at the NFL level.

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Castavar said:

True. I don't even think I've seen Tyreke Hill score on three different go routes in one game. That was just some college sh*t that we witnessed.

Yeah, like I said I'd have a lot more sympathy if he was just carving us up all over the field with a variety of routes. That's hard to stop. But when a guy is simply running past your CBs and catching bombs put a fuging safety over the top already. That's not rocket science. That's defensive football 101 and is a big black eye for Wilks who is supposed to not only be a defensive specialist but a secondary specialist.

 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

To some degree I'm with you, but let's tone down the hyperbole so it doesn't become misinformation.  No team is averaging 30 points a game this year. None. Zero.

Only 7 teams are averaging more than 25 points a game. 14 teams make the playoffs and Green Bay with the 14th most prolific offense in the league this year is averaging 22 points a game.

The 14th best scoring defense (NO) is giving up just a hair under 21 points a game.

A more accurate statement would be to say you need to consistently score more than 20 while having a D good enough to keep your opponents to about that or less.

Btw, the best scoring defense is giving up 16.5 and the best scoring offense is averaging 29. That means the spread from 14th best to best for both offense and defense is a handful of points.

Ultimately is it a league in which you can win championships anymore by having a dominant defense and a middle of the road offense? i agree the answer to that is no, I just wanna be a little more realistic about the actual numbers.

Regular season no but entering the postseason and beyond you want to be scoring minimum 3 touchdowns to give yourself a chance. The Niners and Eagles look to be the teams to beat in the NFC and they have given up their share of points. But they can get on the board when they need to. We can't. There are different reasons for that beginning with different needs like a real tight end. But our QB turning the ball over was the difference maker in the loss yesterday IMO. Brock Purdy played better than our starter. We need to leave no stone unturned in the offseason in our search for QB and it begins with the draft. I'll keep banging that 🫡

[Shocker]

4 hours ago, frankw said:

Why do so many people on this board think other teams aren't going to score? Even good defenses are giving up 30 points this is the NFL if you want to be relevant your offense has to go toe to toe and not kick field goals. I'm over the defensive identity of this team. I want to build a juggernaut offense.

Improvement in the passing game is definitely needed.  I personally don’t think this OL is completely done with upgrades yet either.  TE is a glaring need
 

We also need a CB for depth and Edge rusher.  

Edited January 2, 2023 by Shocker

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Regular season no but entering the postseason and beyond you want to be scoring minimum 3 touchdowns to give yourself a chance. The Niners and Eagles look to be the teams to beat in the NFC and they have given up their share of points. But they can get on the board when they need to. We can't. There are different reasons for that beginning with different needs like a real tight end. But our QB turning the ball over was the difference maker in the loss yesterday IMO. Brock Purdy played better than our starter. We need to leave no stone unturned in the offseason in our search for QB and it begins with the draft. I'll keep banging that 🫡

Brother I am with you on the need for a TE. Top TE's take good offenses to the next level. I agree that no one should expect to win a playoff game with less than 3 touchdowns. The subpar offenses have been weeded out at that point. I'm not 100% on going after QB this offseason because the draft class doesn't wow me. I think getting a top flight pass rusher and maybe that TE are priorities too and live with Sam another year while building the team around him, then going after your preferred target in next year's draft could be another option.

[frankw]

12 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Brother I am with you on the need for a TE. Top TE's take good offenses to the next level. I agree that no one should expect to win a playoff game with less than 3 touchdowns. The subpar offenses have been weeded out at that point. I'm not 100% on going after QB this offseason because the draft class doesn't wow me. I think getting a top flight pass rusher and maybe that TE are priorities too and live with Sam another year while building the team around him, then going after your preferred target in next year's draft could be another option.

We got really lucky when we fleeced the Bears for Olsen. But as for this or next years class of quarterbacks you could make the argument any season that it isn't an ideal time. Next years class seems to be the mantra around these parts but when next year rolls around we start loafing around going "ehhhhh idk" haha. We do have extra picks so if a guy falls and we want to roll the dice I'll accept that.