Baldy Breakdowns on Panthers physical o-line and run game

[1of10Charnatives]

10 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Question for you smart football people.  Were there changes made in the blocking schemes from the Pitt game to the Detroit game?  Did the Panthers Oline do anything differently or did they just beat an inferior dline?

I am also interested in answers to these questions from some of the x's and o's gurus. I am gonna guess that at least part of the answer is that Lions linebackers are awful, but I'd also like to hear from folks who pore over game tape to analyze this sort of stuff.

[stratocatter]

2 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

BC running that trap inside trap looks exactly like Mike Wahle in 2003 with Stephan Davis.

Yep. Except Wahle wasn’t here then. Jeff Mitchell was C on that team I think. 

[joemac]

2 hours ago, KSpan said:

Campbell acknowledging that they stayed in nickel even when Carolina was going 2-TE was confirmation of the head-scratching decisions they made throughout the game. Carolina's TEs are worthless in the passing game, and they've been feasting at times on the ground, so why not make Darnold and the TEs beat them through the air? Whatever though, Carolina absolutely rolled them.

Yeah. That was literally the most dominating game I’ve ever seen from a Panthers offense in the history of our team, and I can count on 1 hand the number of games I have missed since 1995. This was even better than the Tampa game a while back when Double Trouble went nuts. Now we just have to pray that we can be consistent and do it to Tampa as well. I think our defense will shut them down for the most part. Brady is a shell of his former self these days and the entire Bucs team looks incredibly old and slow. 

[NAS]

I like Baldinger as an analyst and listening to him review the tape, he really loves the X's and O's of the game.  

 

[ladypanther]

35 minutes ago, joemac said:

Yeah. That was literally the most dominating game I’ve ever seen from a Panthers offense in the history of our team, and I can count on 1 hand the number of games I have missed since 1995. This was even better than the Tampa game a while back when Double Trouble went nuts. Now we just have to pray that we can be consistent and do it to Tampa as well. I think our defense will shut them down for the most part. Brady is a shell of his former self these days and the entire Bucs team looks incredibly old and slow. 

I was at that Bucs game...think it was a Thursday night game?   Not sure but definitely a night game.  Playoff atmosphere.  Stadium was rocking...everyone standing the entire game.  Basically ended Gruden's run as the Buc HC. That was fun Panther football.  It is nice to have a game this time of year that means something.

[Wolfcop]

43 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

I was at that Bucs game...think it was a Thursday night game?   Not sure but definitely a night game.  Playoff atmosphere.  Stadium was rocking...everyone standing the entire game.  Basically ended Gruden's run as the Buc HC. That was fun Panther football.  It is nice to have a game this time of year that means something.

It was definitely a weekday game. Maybe MNF. 

[Gregg S]

48 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

I was at that Bucs game...think it was a Thursday night game?   Not sure but definitely a night game.  Playoff atmosphere.  Stadium was rocking...everyone standing the entire game.  Basically ended Gruden's run as the Buc HC. That was fun Panther football.  It is nice to have a game this time of year that means something.

 

4 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

It was definitely a weekday game. Maybe MNF. 

I was there, too, but can't remember if it was Monday or Thursday night.  The one image imprinted on my brain, though, is JStew planting Ronde Barber into the BOA turf with one of the nastiest stiff-arms I've ever seen..

[OldhamA]

30 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Very good point. There were truck sized holes on Saturday and now it makes even more sense why. We have committed to the run and the teams with bad run Ds can’t stop us, especially in nickel defense. I mean I can’t even fathom what the rational for that is considering our WRs and TEs after DJ. We’ve lost every single game we haven’t rushed for more than 100 yards (0-7). The recipe to beat us is simple, stop the run and Detroit played nickel for most of the first half? Probably one of the dumbest calls this year.

We ran on Tampa before so the question is will they make an adjustment. 4 of our 5 best running efforts were at home. The other question is our pass D.

The default defence in the NFL now is Nickel.

It's why teams like the Titans are successful - and why we've been successful recently, defences simply aren't built to stop teams that make a big commitment to the run.

Funnily enough our defence isn't built to stop the run either, but our OLine is absolutely a run-first unit. 

The problem with it is that obviously everything has to go right - if you get off schedule (i.e. go behind by a couple of scores) you're in big trouble. 

[1of10Charnatives]

9 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

The default defence in the NFL now is Nickel.

It's why teams like the Titans are successful - and why we've been successful recently, defences simply aren't built to stop teams that make a big commitment to the run.

Funnily enough our defence isn't built to stop the run either, but our OLine is absolutely a run-first unit. 

The problem with it is that obviously everything has to go right - if you get off schedule (i.e. go behind by a couple of scores) you're in big trouble. 

Yes. 

For the vast majority of games these days, your third best LB is far less important than your third best corner, because the corner will be on the field far more than the LB.

[bababoey]

2 hours ago, Gregg S said:

 

I was there, too, but can't remember if it was Monday or Thursday night.  The one image imprinted on my brain, though, is JStew planting Ronde Barber into the BOA turf with one of the nastiest stiff-arms I've ever seen..

It was a Monday night game.  Late in the season to maybe week 14 or 15

[Gregg S]

1 minute ago, bababoey said:

It was a Monday night game.  Late in the season to maybe week 14 or 15

That's what I was thinking but wasn't quite sure. That was a while back.

[RJK]

Cool. Pittsburgh shut them down and Pittsburgh fuging sucks. Gonna need to throw the ball if they sneak into the playoffs.

[Rags]

5 hours ago, ladypanther said:

Question for you smart football people.  Were there changes made in the blocking schemes from the Pitt game to the Detroit game?  Did the Panthers Oline do anything differently or did they just beat an inferior dline?

I haven't watched the o-line vs the D-line in that game, but if I had to guess i'd say it stemmed from Cameron Heyward being a beast, and he's being flanked by Myles Jack and Devin Bush while he eats up blocks.

So yes, the Lions have a much inferior D-line and LB core, but few have ones a strong as what Pitt has.

[Rags]

13 minutes ago, RJK said:

Cool. Pittsburgh shut them down and Pittsburgh fuging sucks. Gonna need to throw the ball if they sneak into the playoffs.

Pittsburgh sucks but their D-line doesn't. 

Like do u think that if a team sucks they have no strengths?