Is Mcadoo developing Darnold??

[Catsfan69]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're "winning"? Have you seen our record?

If we win the next two we finish 6-2 down the stretch and that's pretty damn good.

[Rags]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

They won the SB because they went out and got a fuging franchise QB.

 

So you're telling me that without Aarond Donald, who yes was on the team, Cooper Kupp, Jalen Ramsey, Von Miller (who they also got after getting Stafford) was moot. And the only thing noted offensive genius Sean McVay, who has a snapshot memory of football plays needed was Stafford? The same Stafford who couldn't win a playoff game, let alone a SB when throwing to fugin Megatron?

ok. just, lol. ok.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

You keep making terrible, easily proven incorrect arguments. The Bucs we're not winning. They went 5-11, 5-11, and 7-9 prior to signing Brady and winning the SB. The Bills did go 9-7 the year prior to drafting Allen, but prior to that had missed the playoffs for 17 straight seasons. No one would try to argue they were building a winning culture in Buffalo prior to Josh Allen. The Chiefs were the only team you mentioned there that were actually winning when they drafted their franchise QB and it was because Andy Reid was smart enough to know they'd gone as far as they were going to get with Alex Smith and needed a top tier talent at QB to get over the hump

 

The Bucs were not winning, but Brady doesn't go to that team if they don't have Mike Evans, Chris Godwin and that defense that was top hlaf in the league the past two years. They had a team. The Bills go 9-7 because -- McVay is good and built a team. The offense Josh Allen inherited was the one Tyrod Taylor was running the year before, which fit his playstyle. They also continued to add to that defense, then went out and got Diggs. i would not mind this path if it worked out for Richardson, its what I hope, but Richardson is way worse of a passer than Allen coming out and situations like Allen -- completely reworking your mechanics and it working game time -- are rare. 

[Stuart Smith]

32 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Darnold is a Dilfer. He is a game managing QB who works best at taking selective shots. He has mobility too. He will not be consistently winning games in the 4th quarter.

Maybe, but Dilfer did quarterback super bowl winning team in 2000.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Rags said:

So you're telling me that without Aarond Donald, who yes was on the team, Cooper Kupp, Jalen Ramsey, Von Miller (who they also got after getting Stafford) was moot. And the only thing noted offensive genius Sean McVay, who has a snapshot memory of football plays needed was Stafford? The same Stafford who couldn't win a playoff game, let alone a SB when throwing to fugin Megatron?

ok. just, lol. ok.

The Bucs were not winning, but Brady doesn't go to that team if they don't have Mike Evans, Chris Godwin and that defense that was top hlaf in the league the past two years. They had a team. The Bills go 9-7 because -- McVay is good and built a team. The offense Josh Allen inherited was the one Tyrod Taylor was running the year before, which fit his playstyle. They also continued to add to that defense, then went out and got Diggs. i would not mind this path if it worked out for Richardson, its what I hope, but Richardson is way worse of a passer than Allen coming out and situations like Allen -- completely reworking your mechanics and it working game time -- are rare. 

No poo. It's a team sports and you can't win without a team but the Bucs were a bad team before they signed Brady and immediately won a SB. No one is trying to argue that the Lions were anything but a bad organization during the Stafford years.

There's only one position that the addition of one player on your roster can significantly alter your trajectory as a franchise.

[Rags]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All the best young QBs currently in the league had serious question marks entering the draft and only one of them (Burrow) went #1 overall. Most (Allen, Mahomes, Herbert) weren't the #1 QB taken in their draft class. Maybe Lawrence is going to enter this conversation and change that narrative, but still... the best young QBs in the league setup the argument to take a swing on the best physical talent as long as you think the kid has a good head on his shoulders.

Yes, and all the bad QBs also had serious question marks coming out and they're bad.

The point being is it's hard to find a Mahomes, Allen and Herbert. You have to go through loads of Mariotas, Tannehill, Goffs and those are top 10 picks that at least ended up having a decent carrer. After that you get into the Manuels, the Weedens, the Ponders of the NFL. Hell i seriously believe that there's at least 26 other franchises Allen lands on he's a bust. 

I'm not saying "You keep swinging"  is wrong, but when a team has momentum, and you think that momentum is sustainable (in our case a shitty division and NFC in general) keep swinging can have damning effects on a team. We're not always gonna have this defense cheap. What talent we do have on offense is getting older. Soon what aren't holes will be holes again.

Having a guy is important, but you brought up TLaw, but look at how awful he looked last year and not the trajectory he's on now -- and i don't even think Pederson's that great btw -- but it's night and day. Situation matters -- supporting cast to coaching. Add to that, look at Kyler and look and why DHop wanted out of Houston. 

[Rags]

12 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

qb purgatory is actually very good, you see.

Good news so you can check out next season: We are likely going to be in "QB purgatory" next season.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Rags said:

Yes, and all the bad QBs also had serious question marks coming out and they're bad.

The point being is it's hard to find a Mahomes, Allen and Herbert. You have to go through loads of Mariotas, Tannehill, Goffs and those are top 10 picks that at least ended up having a decent carrer. After that you get into the Manuels, the Weedens, the Ponders of the NFL. Hell i seriously believe that there's at least 26 other franchises Allen lands on he's a bust. 

I'm not saying "You keep swinging"  is wrong, but when a team has momentum, and you think that momentum is sustainable (in our case a shitty division and NFC in general) keep swinging can have damning effects on a team. We're not always gonna have this defense cheap. What talent we do have on offense is getting older. Soon what aren't holes will be holes again.

Having a guy is important, but you brought up TLaw, but look at how awful he looked last year and not the trajectory he's on now -- and i don't even think Pederson's that great btw -- but it's night and day. Situation matters -- supporting cast to coaching. Add to that, look at Kyler and look and why DHop wanted out of Houston. 

We've been playing this "maybe next year" game with drafting a QB ever since we parted with Cam. At some point you have to start swinging if you actually want to compete for SBs.

 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

6 minutes ago, Rags said:

Good news so you can check out next season: We are likely going to be in "QB purgatory" next season.

 

nope fitt will force a grier or richardson pick to buy time for his job. if/when the panthers poo the bed next season and surprise, winning 8 games doesn't win you the division then its over for him.

[Rags]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No poo. It's a team sports and you can't win without a team but the Bucs were a bad team before they signed Brady and immediately won a SB. No one is trying to argue that the Lions were anything but a bad organization during the Stafford years.

There's only one position that the addition of one player on your roster can significantly alter your trajectory as a franchise.

Exactly! It's a team sport! Tom Brady went to the Bucs because they were a good team marred by terrible QB play and mid tier coaching. Like the QB play cost them games. Adding a good QB makes them a playoff team, but adding Brady of all people made them a contender.  Same with the Rams, already a good team, but with their focal point of their offense going down (Gurley) they needed more because with just Goff all they were was a playoff team. Stafford gave them verticality and veteran QB play. And then they still added pass rush because Stafford's play was...inconsistent at times. 

There's only one position on the field that can singlehandedly alter the trajectory of your franchise, but that's not the only way to have a good season. The addition of Tom Brady and Matthew Stafford to those teams put them over the edge, but that's not alone why they're champs. 

[Rags]

Just now, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

nope fitt will force a grier or richardson pick to buy time for his job. if/when the panthers poo the bed next season and surprise, winning 8 games doesn't win you the division then its over for him.

So QB purgatory.

God you're whiney. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Just now, Rags said:

So QB purgatory.

God you're whiney. 

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[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Rags said:

Exactly! It's a team sport! Tom Brady went to the Bucs because they were a good team marred by terrible QB play and mid tier coaching. Like the QB play cost them games. Adding a good QB makes them a playoff team, but adding Brady of all people made them a contender.  Same with the Rams, already a good team, but with their focal point of their offense going down (Gurley) they needed more because with just Goff all they were was a playoff team. Stafford gave them verticality and veteran QB play. And then they still added pass rush because Stafford's play was...inconsistent at times. 

There's only one position on the field that can singlehandedly alter the trajectory of your franchise, but that's not the only way to have a good season. The addition of Tom Brady and Matthew Stafford to those teams put them over the edge, but that's not alone why they're champs. 

Right now we're a pretty good team minus the QB decision. My point is I think we're at the point where we can justify taking swings on QB. I don't see us getting significantly better by building an overall stronger roster. We need a fuging QB.

[Rags]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We've been playing this "maybe next year" game with drafting a QB ever since we parted with Cam. At some point you have to start swinging if you actually want to compete for SBs.

 

Sure! But why does it have to be this year when we have a team winning with middling QB play? Like if it's Stroud or god I keep forgetting his name but I'm too lazy to look it up from Alabama, sure it's like a no brainer, but Richardson or Levis? And honestly if we're a 6 win team in most other years and situations I'd agree with you, but I can't stress enough how poorly structured the rest of the NFC is. And again, we're only gonna have more holes if those QBs miss.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Rags said:

Sure! But why does it have to be this year when we have a team winning with middling QB play? Like if it's Stroud or god I keep forgetting his name but I'm too lazy to look it up from Alabama, sure it's like a no brainer, but Richardson or Levis? And honestly if we're a 6 win team in most other years and situations I'd agree with you, but I can't stress enough how poorly structured the rest of the NFC is. And again, we're only gonna have more holes if those QBs miss.

Because at some point you have to start swinging. We've been making excuses for years. Identify a guy and go get him. Have the guts to dare to be great. Try to e great. Don't sit around and hope you can be the best bad team to limp into the playoffs but not actually be able to threaten to win it all.