I think Wilks has been told he has the job. (Speculation)

[OldhamA]

13 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Even if he is staying why wouldn't he make any adjustments?  I mean he still wants to win games right?  

Basically. He doesn't have the coaching acumen to make in-game adjustments. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Unfortunately, I do think he's that stupid.

He's yet to make a good football decision since he's been welcomed as the owner of the Panthers.

 

That's HARD to do.

Unless you count firing Hurney and Rhule as a positive.  I call that a push because he kept one mistake on too long to hire the other mistake and kept the other mistake too long before he corrected that mistake.  

[OldhamA]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Like I said, I don’t think they have the personnel to make the adjustments. 

He doesn't have the personnel to ask Taylor and Horn to play press-man coverage rather than 8-10 yards off in a soft zone?

[mrcompletely11]

This man is suing the league and the cardinals.  There is no way Tepper has told him he has the job and still has to hold 2 shame interviews to minority coaches.  There is simply no way wilks would go for that.  He may be a shitty coach but he has integrity

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

He doesn't have the personnel to ask Taylor and Horn to play press-man coverage rather than 8-10 yards off in a soft zone?

Horn was fine from what I saw. 
 

“don’t get beat deep” is the hallmark strategy for a team with poor depth/talent in the secondary and that’s exactly what the panthers are. 

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Like I said, I don’t think they have the personnel to make the adjustments. 

I'm sorry but there isn't some huge talent game between the Panthers and the Steelers (this year).  They could use the excuse all day of not having the personnel, but that doesn't mean you don't attempt to spread out that defense to open up the running game.  Make some sort of adjustment.  I mean has he tried sending Higgins out there since his WRs were struggling to get open in McAdoo's boring system?  It fits way more into the mindset is cut form the same cloth as Rivera, Fox, etc...  He likes to run the ball and lean on his defense (which is his specialty).  It's a conservative boring style of play in which WRs, and QBs will struggle to develop.  

[Panthering]

Honestly that just sounds like a typical defensive head coach who just thinks it will eventually work until the clock hits 00:00

[electro's horse]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I'm sorry but there isn't some huge talent game between the Panthers and the Steelers (this year).  They could use the excuse all day of not having the personnel, but that doesn't mean you don't attempt to spread out that defense to open up the running game.  Make some sort of adjustment.  I mean has he tried sending Higgins out there since his WRs were struggling to get open in McAdoo's boring system?  It fits way more into the mindset is cut form the same cloth as Rivera, Fox, etc...  He likes to run the ball and lean on his defense (which is his specialty).  It's a conservative boring style of play in which WRs, and QBs will struggle to develop.  

Specifically, there absolutely is a talent gap between the panthers DB depth and Pittsburgh’s WR depth. Steelers just poo WR and very few teams can match them DB-WR. 

generally, not sure how you can watch yesterday and say there’s not a talent gap. Sure looked like a more talented team beat a less talented one yesterday. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by electro's horse

[Bear Hands]

18 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Unfortunately, I do think he's that stupid.

He's yet to make a good football decision since he's been welcomed as the owner of the Panthers.

 

That's HARD to do.

Classifying him as stupid or not isn't really going to change anything.  He obviously wants to look good with this football thing.  We will see on his second hire.  This premise though is incredibly speculative. 

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Specifically, there absolutely is a talent gap between the panthers DB depth and Pittsburgh’s WR depth. Steelers just poo WR and very few teams can match them DB-WR. 

generally, not sure how you can watch yesterday and say there’s not a talent gap. Sure looked like a more talented team beat a less talented one yesterday. 

Pickens is a rookie wr that had 2 catches yesterday and 40 on the year.   Johnson is a good wr but you telling me he is that much better then horn.  Naw man we were out coached big time yesterday. 
My hot take for this monday is I would seriously trade 3 firsts for Tomlin, give him a 10 year deal if he was interested in changing jobs.  Dude is a legend

[SmokinwithWilly]

12 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I just don't classify the man as stupid, although I do think when people get THAT successful and live in that level of a wealth bubble, there seems to be a degenerative element in their decision making across the board, not just NFL owners.  There's probably some type of study on it.  

He's not some blind captain hitting every button in the cockpit.  But he's obviously making bad decisions.  

I'm not so sure how else to see it other than he's blindly hitting every button. 

Keeping floundering Hurney 2.0 to lead new coach selection

Hiring a college coach to a massive contract that never beat a ranked opponent 

Letting said college coach bring an almost  entirely college staff to run the team

Giving zero NFL experience coach GM level control - 5 QBs in 3 years not even factoring in the cost

Keeping college coach after year 2 of abject miserable failure 

Taking away the franchise and fan base mantra Keep Pounding only to replace it with "The Brand". 

Installing college mentality to professional football. 

Stadium debacle

Panthers HQ debacle

I don't know how you can look at were we are as a franchise right now and say a monkey pushing buttons couldn't have accomplished the same or more. 

[raleigh-panther]

I appreciate the OP’s points 

For me, though, yesterday was the breaking point of yet another pitiful iteration of the pathetic Panthers 

it isn’t all coaching   It would be better if it was 

How is it that team with everything to gain came out that apathetic ?

there are a bunch of ‘just guys’ on this team.  Even the ones that we on this board think so highly of 

when it matters, that defense fails over and over again, a defense with a lot of high draft picks investment from both Rivera and Rhule and that rebuilt offensive  line ain’t all that either 

there are a lot of guys walking around with ‘C’ on their jerseys that disappear when it matters 

want to know why the stands are devoid of Panthers fans?   Because this team is collectively gutless and fans know it and won’t invest time and money to see it 

hit them in the mouth and they take their raggedy asses to a corner and give up 

unfortunately, they can’t  play Atlanta  every week 

 
 

 

[OldhamA]

18 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Horn was fine from what I saw. 
 

“don’t get beat deep” is the hallmark strategy for a team with poor depth/talent in the secondary and that’s exactly what the panthers are. 

Well yeah, cos Horn is an elite CB. Taylor is a press-man CB - why ask your 4th CB to do anything that he's not good at?

[Sgt Schultz]

35 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

All of that is true except for the assurance thing. I do not think he was guaranteed anything other than if he did an incredible job he would get an interview.  

This is where I am, too @Jon Snow.  I an on board with everything in the OP except that.

Every now and then you go into a game, look at the two teams, and realize they both have the same path to victory.  Yesterday was one of those games.  Both teams have holes at QB which means they need to establish the run.  Both teams need to be able to stop the run.  Then it boils down to execution, turnovers (there were none), and a well-timed wrinkle or two.

One team did both of the things needed to win.  That same team also kept the chains moving.  The only adjustment we could make on defense was to tighten up the coverage and try to take the easy third down conversions away. 

On offense, I don't think they have enough faith in Darnold (or PJ for that matter) to open things up and try to make the run more effective.  Doing so might well have resulted in interceptions, which would have caused the game to get out of hand.  Known weakness that we try to avoid every week, the Steelers just recognized it and are pretty good against the run so they were able to dare us to do it.....which we did not.  The good news is that nobody on our remaining schedule is as good as the Steelers were against the run, but the map on what to do is drawn for even a dense coaching staff to see.

The talent on this team did not instantly get better when The Process was sent packing.  The roster has definite weaknesses.  Wilks was able to wring more success out of this team than The Process could dream about, but there is a limit......not only on the roster, but in the coaching staff, too. 

That is the penalty for waiting too long to pull the trigger and winding up with some strange, hybrid, PushMePullYou team and coaching staff.  Honestly, the results have been better than I expected.  That doesn't mean I'm happy about where we are, just that I expected worse.