Steve Wilks has proved he has what it takes to be HC

[*FreeFua*]

12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Leader of men is one thing.  Outscheming another nfl coach is completely different.  Which one is more important I'm not sure but I have an idea.   

Rivera is a leader of men and it only takes you so far. See superbowl 50. 

There was also the time he assumed we’d run the ball down the 49ers throats and when we didn’t we proceeded to get curb stomped 51-13

This while Wilks thing has gotten out of hand. Maybe if we had a genius OC and a real QB things would be a bit different but at the end of the day we need that OC to be our HC so he doesn’t leave 

Edited December 13, 2022 by *FreeFua*

[rayzor]

4 minutes ago, Verge said:

Wilks has certainly been better about scheming and adjustments than Rhule or Rivera I think. I don't know that that is saying much, but there is a clear plan of attack in each game and a willingness to pivot. 

i think the hands off approach in managing the team helps with that, but this team has been a lot better at making adjustments. i'm hoping that the reason is that wilks can quickly realize or at least accept that something isn't working like they planned and pushes adapting to what is instead of what you hoped would be. 

i think he's taken the hierarchy out of the decision making process. you see a change that needs to be made, let's do it. let's don't have a meeting about it or think through it, just do it. 

[Waldo]

If it was 30 years ago? Hell yeah. Not anymore.

He has proved he belongs in the NFL but I would still rather play his team as a HC then have him as a HC next year. Good interim but not a great prospect HC IMO. He should be the floor of what we are looking for. 

His connections make him a hard pass. All dead ends IMO.

[mrcompletely11]

13 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i don't see him really ever being the HC that out-schemes his opponents, but he may not need to be. 

he's accomplished in just a few weeks what rhule thought was going to have to take years more to build...he's changed the culture, he's reformed it. he's made it competitive. now i don't know completely what the endgame culture-wise was for rhule, but i'm not sure he ever did either. 

the fact that wilks isn't a micro-manager, and that he lets his coaches coach will go a long way in the success of the team going forward. you get the best possible OC in here and Wilks will be stepping aside and letting him do his job, just like he's done with macadoo, and that's exactly what we need if we don't have a offensive guru as HC. of course get a good QB is also a big thing, but still...he's got a significant advantage over any other HC candidate out there. 

anyone that gets hired will have to take time to know and be known by the team. they'll all have to learn what to expect from each other and they'll be starting over from scratch. it might be something in which a dramatic transition takes place and everything clicks right into place, but more than likely there will be time spent trying to figure things out and we're looking at another year or two to be relevant.

imo, wilks is saying and doing all the right things needed to get a jump start and all we'll need is that OC and QB combo. 

if the seattle win wasn't a fluke and this is a team that can fight and fights into the playoffs, then he's the safe and smart bet that helps us hit the ground running next year.

Sounds eerily just like riverboat and foxy. Is that a road you are comfortable going down........again?

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, Verge said:

He has a history with Mike McCoy who is doing a good job as the QB coach down in Jacksonville. Could be worth a look.

McCoy was basically forced on him and Wilks fired him. That's not likely an option.

He's worked with Freddie Kitchens and Rob Chudzinski before.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

McCoy was basically forced on him and Wilks fired him. That's not likely an option.

He's worked with Freddie Kitchens and Rob Chudzinski before.

How was Mccoy forced on him?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

How was Mccoy forced on him?

Arizona insisted Wilks hire him as OC.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Arizona insisted Wilks hire him as OC.

I don't think that is accurate 

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sounds eerily just like riverboat and foxy. Is that a road you are comfortable going down........again?

doesn't sound much like fox or rivera aside from the idea that he's not an outschemer. fox started out good, but got lazy. he had success too quickly and he got complacent. after that superbowl run, there was never a desire to be great. 

rivera just coached too scared. i mean he had that moment of riverboat ron, but it wasn't a lasting moment and it was only done so because he got pushed to do something different but then reverted back to playing not to lose. rivera just wasn't/isn't a bold coach.

wilks just seems like he's got his head on better than those other two and that he is a better manager of the situation. he's got a boldness that is much more ingrained than those other guys. 

the big thing with wilks is that in the same way he's bringing the best out of his players, i think he'll bring the best out of his coaches. again, much depends on making sure that we get the best possible OC and QB, but i really do think that wilks has what it takes more than fox or rivera did.

[Tr3ach]

I think the Seahawks win was his first real signature win.  Everything else was against fairly bad teams and we cant forget that bengals game.  I think he definitely helped his chances with the seattle game, and I definitely think we could do worse.   He has been pretty impressive as a leader.  All that said I also think we could do better.  I think he is a high floor low ceiling candidate.  So a safe choice but I'm not sure hes a coach who could take us to a perinneal playoff team.  I see him as a Rivera type coach.  Definitely a big step up from the last one though.

[stratocatter]

Good coaches are going to lose games.

I have seen enough, personally. I feel like he showed us who he is on game day one, I just needed to see some response in terms of performance from the players. It was clear to me he was going to get at least some of that, but would it enough to translate to wins? 
 

I could list the things that sold me like his handling of Robby and Piniero showed quality at both ends of the player psyche spectrum (banish, or keep and build up). 

I already really liked him because when he was here before  doing the secondary, I came to believe they intentionally gave him leftovers because they knew he could produce a working unit out of rejects and failures. And he usually did. 

He is just one of those guys that won’t kiss ass, which we should all love about him. 

It is always the fear, that I go to when people decide a coach should be fired, how do you know you are upgrading? Be careful what you wish for. Etc. I think I know what Wilkes is and I like it. I respect it. 

To not give him the gig, assuming a decent last 4 games, is looking like a large risk to me at this point. 
 

 

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I don't think that is accurate 

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My problem is he took that job in the first place. Terrible decision and his connections are a huge negative as a HC filling out his staff. 

[rayzor]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I don't think that is accurate 

it actually is. quite a few reports were that mccoy was the choice of both the team president and GM and pushed mccoy on wilks. 

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I don't think that is accurate 

I read about it from one of the beat writers.

But besides that, the fact that Wilks fired him would suggest there's not the greatest relationship there.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Mr. Scot