It Doesn't Matter...

[CPcavedweller]

Who the QB is when we play good defenses, our offense is just lacking all around talent and we use a scheme that requires a talent advantage to be successful. 

We have absolutely no explosiveness at tight end, guys who can hardly block and catch. Outside of DJ Moore, we have nothing that could qualify as explosive at receiver. This allows teams to just pin their ears back and get after the QB and run game when they have the personnel to do it (i.e. Cincy, Baltimore).

It's going to be a long rebuilding process that will require a quarterback but will not be solely reliant upon one. We have a lot of needs on offense to be functional against playoff tier groups.

[uncfan888]

I think the qb would make a huge difference.. And better play calling

[Mr. Scot]

I read this thread title in The Rock's voice.

[LinvilleGorge]

It's a QB and system problem. The surrounding talent isn't terrible but they look terrible with terrible QB play in an inept offensive system.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

They are way overrated though, even DJ. DJ is the only solid guy but he’s not on the Chase, Jefferson, Diggs, elite level. He’s in the level below those guys. That’s fine for us except that CMC isn’t here anymore. Foreman is fine when the OL is blowing up holes but I think people in here think he’s better than CMC. Games like yesterday show the difference. We were even saying how good Hubbard was after playing Atlanta. Same with Marshall. Since Robby left he’s had 1 30-40 yard catch each game and 1-2 other catches. His two let’s call them breakout games were garbage time prevent after being down 42-0 and against Atlanta without Terrell and two other DB starters. He can still develop but the Rhule hate turned him into a solid WR2, when he’s not close to there yet. Throw in Smith, Thomas and Tremble and honestly, we’ve got a lot of improving to do for any QB. That’s why I was so for Burns’ trade. Use his salary savings to sign the best DE available and use the 3 great picks to get your QB, a stud WR next to DJ and maybe a top TE. That would make us much better. 

A decent QB and OC would make all the difference. Yeah, our TEs are trash. Our overall WR group is decent. Our RBs are decent. Our OL is good. This is an average offense with an average QB and OC. It would be a borderline top 10 offense with an elite QB and OC.

[onmyown]

People who thought Forman was as good as CMC don’t understand football at even a Madden level. DJ is not ‘explosive’ either. If you even casually watch NFL games outside the team, DJ is not really impressive in any sense. This offense sucks big time and has a ton of needs.

[LinvilleGorge]

Yeah, average starting NFL QB and average NFL OC and this is an average unit. The massive deficiencies are at QB and OC. 

 

[BrianS]

Think of it this way . . . if Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes suddenly became Panthers . . . how good would our offense look?

[Wundrbread33]

Moore looks like he is going through the motions. He’s compounding the poo QB play with low effort/focus on the rare occasion he gets a good ball thrown his way. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Think of it this way . . . if Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes suddenly became Panthers . . . how good would our offense look?

Elite

[CPcavedweller]

51 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A decent QB and OC would make all the difference. Yeah, our TEs are trash. Our overall WR group is decent. Our RBs are decent. Our OL is good. This is an average offense with an average QB and OC. It would be a borderline top 10 offense with an elite QB and OC.

Our Wide Receiver group is below average. Shi Smith belongs in the USFL. He fumbled, muffed a punt, and caused an interception to close the game. Why Higgins isn't playing is beyond me.

[CPcavedweller]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Elite

Tommy Tremble, Ian Thomas, DJ Moore! Can you imagine how amazing that would be?

Our offense would still suck. Don't kid yourself. Yesterday showed just how much talent we are devoid of. Yesterday wasn't on Baker. It was on the overall talent level of this offense from top to bottom. Hard for a QB to do much when it's 3rd and 9 on 90% of 3rd downs and then you ask him to drop back and throw us into a win against one of the leagues most talented defenses.

Everyone here wants to blame the QB. News flash, it's not the quarterback. Baker has played good ball throughout his career and he comes here and looks like garbage. That's not Baker, that's scheme, coaching, and talent.

At least we should have an option for a new OC and a game breaking receiver in 2023.

[rippadonn]

The offense looked fine with PJ. Baker doesn't have the stones to stand in the pocket he panics.

Even Sam would be a better choice and Sam is making 19M, he should be made to earn it.

[CPcavedweller]

41 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

The offense looked fine with PJ. Baker doesn't have the stones to stand in the pocket he panics.

Even Sam would be a better choice and Sam is making 19M, he should be made to earn it.

The offense looked fine with PJ? It looked fine against Atlanta. How did it look against Cincinnat? The offense has been garbage and what we saw yesterday mirrored a typical PJ day because the problem isn't the quarterback, it's the offense and the lack of surrounding talent. I've never seen a Panther team struggle to run the ball as badly as I've seen in recent weeks and much of that is due to scheme.

They will put Sam in and he will have the same 11/15 110 yard statline as PJ and Baker have had. Why? It's the system, its the surrounding talent. DJ, Marshall, Moton, and Icky are literally the only guys safe on offense. Everyone else at every other position may be gone in the next two years because we suck that bad.