So, let's just say......

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Wilks has won a grand total of 5 times out of 21 games in the nfl.   And he was plucked out of Missouri for this job.   I think once again you guys are overvaluing folks associated with this franchise.   Now you can and probably will say his situations were not ideal but the fact remains he has only won 5 times to date in the nfl.  I would like to set our sights a wee bit higher in regards to our coaching search

It's sad but you can see even the fans having a hard time with that one. But Rhule! Using a guy who shouldn't have had an interview for a HC job in the NFL is just sad (I still don't know how he got to be a hot name by doing nothing impressive at an easier level). Most just want to return to the safe space of being a competent loser. Le sigh

[Anybodyhome]

3 hours ago, Waldo said:

Again Saturday won his first game coaching ever.

Not completely true. His previous stint as a head coach in Arizona went very well, going 3-13.

It's a process.

[Aussie Tank]

If we go with another conservative defensive minded coach it would make me sick. Especially one with such a poor record 

[poundaway]

Wilks took an 8-8 team in Arizona and turned it into the absolute worst team in football who immediately rebounded once he was gone.  As a defensive minded coach, his D in Arizona was one of the worst in the league, with Holcomb as his DC.  

Its like no one watched the Rams game where the average depth of target was NEGATIVE and Wilks outright said that was the game plan.  Apparently everyone has forgotten the Bengals game where we lost in the first half, decimated 35-0. The worst performance by a football team in 40 years.

 

[ladypanther]

15 minutes ago, poundaway said:

Wilks took an 8-8 team in Arizona and turned it into the absolute worst team in football who immediately rebounded once he was gone.  As a defensive minded coach, his D in Arizona was one of the worst in the league, with Holcomb as his DC.  

Its like no one watched the Rams game where the average depth of target was NEGATIVE and Wilks outright said that was the game plan.  Apparently everyone has forgotten the Bengals game where we lost in the first half, decimated 35-0. The worst performance by a football team in 40 years.

 

Sometimes, there may be more to the story.

https://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/31247/when-the-cardinals-fired-steve-wilks-they-fired-the-wrong-guy

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One of the most turbulent seasons in Arizona Cardinals history came to a close Monday, when team president Michael Bidwill fired first-year head coach Steve Wilks after a 3-13 season.

 But the Cardinals made the wrong one.

 

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They shortchanged Wilks by giving him only one season. That wasn't enough time for him to mold the roster to the specifications of a 4-3 defensive scheme. Sure, Wilks began the process of transforming the defensive front into one that would suit his system, but he had to do it with the players he inherited. He was given a front, namely the likes of Robert Nkemdiche, Rodney Gunter, Corey Peters and Olsen Pierre, that was good but not great. That's the one area that determines whether a 4-3 defense is successful. He also had to ask his top pass-rushers, Chandler Jones and Markus Golden, to change their approach from being standing rushers to having their hands in the dirt. That adjustment -- or readjustment for Jones, who began his career with his hand in the dirt -- took time.

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And time is exactly what Wilks did not get.

Wilks took the Cardinals job knowing it would take at least a couple of years to get the franchise where he wanted it -- where he needed it -- to be. He saw with the Carolina Panthers, where Wilks spent six years as an assistant, how a team can develop over time.

 

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The decision to let Wilks go was a clear sign that Bidwill and general manager Steve Keim wanted a quick fix.

But Bidwill need not look further than Keim to figure out why the team struggled in 2018. Keim should've been the one to pack up his office on Monday, not Wilks.

 

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But Keim has largely been the reason the Cardinals started to fall back to earth in 2016 and 2017, and why they crashed in 2018.

Before his DUI in July that led to a five-week suspension during training camp, there were a series of bad and head-scratching moves: From trying to underpay Calais Campbell and Tyrann Mathieu to signing veteran offensive lineman after veteran offensive lineman who either got hurt or didn't live up to their expectations, hoping for a quick fix that never came.

 

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Keim's absence during training camp left Wilks on an island. Even though Wilks was able to rely on his former coach in Carolina, Ron Rivera, and other head coaches for advice, he didn't have access to his GM during the most important time for any coach, much less a first-time coach.

And that could be part of the reason Arizona entered the season with a thin offensive line and a receiving corps that, at the time, featured one known commodity in Larry Fitzgerald. It's no surprise both positions were a liability all year.

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Sometimes, there may be more to the story.

https://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/31247/when-the-cardinals-fired-steve-wilks-they-fired-the-wrong-guy

 

be that as it may he still won 3 games

[ForJimmy]

Love Wilks as a person and leader of men. Unfortunately he isn’t HC material at the NFL level. His ceiling to me is a Ron Rivera type conversation, safe, discipline coach. He would need a great OC, but he would just get plucked away after a year or two. We need an offensive minded coach and there are plenty of quality DCs we can pair with him. 

[poundaway]

13 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Sometimes, there may be more to the story.

https://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/31247/when-the-cardinals-fired-steve-wilks-they-fired-the-wrong-guy

 

That is one TALL stack of excuses. 

So Wilks admittedly didn't have the personnel for a 4-3 but he ran one anyway?  Rather than adjusting his scheme for his personnel, he made them change to his scheme?  And that is what you want...a coach married to his scheme irregardless of his personnel?

[hepcat]

8 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You are asking the wrong question here.  You should be asking what can wilks do in the last 7 games to solidify the job?  Because I dont see a lot of wiggle room for him going forward.

If Wilks has a winning record (not counting the games under Rhule) by the end of the season with the garbage he has at QB, I think he should get the job. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, hepcat said:

If Wilks has a winning record (not counting the games under Rhule) by the end of the season with the garbage he has at QB, I think he should get the job. 

sure, but like I said he doesnt have a ton of wiggle room to get that done

[poundaway]

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

sure, but like I said he doesnt have a ton of wiggle room to get that done

 

9 minutes ago, hepcat said:

If Wilks has a winning record (not counting the games under Rhule) by the end of the season with the garbage he has at QB, I think he should get the job. 

You are right, he has little room for error.   To have a winning record Wilks needs to win 5 more games.   Its very possible. 

Lions 3-6,  Broncos 3-6 , Steelers 3-6, Saints 3-7

All are winnable.

The Bucs are 5-5.

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Chargers fans also despised Shane Steichen....

Panther fans despise everybody.

(whether they deserve it or not)

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, ladypanther said:

Sometimes, there may be more to the story.

https://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/31247/when-the-cardinals-fired-steve-wilks-they-fired-the-wrong-guy

Keim is to Bidwill what Hurney was to Richardson.

[Jon Snow]

I'm sure glad we have all you head coach identifying experts in here. Maybe next time you guys can help Tepper pick a winner so that we are spared another 7 year process.