Respect to Rivera

[Zaximus]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Nah, Cam wouldn’t of been special on a lot of teams.  They wouldn’t of ran him like we did. They wouldn’t of brought in the college scheme. 

GM was a bigger problem than HC IMO.  Ron was a good HC.   Roster around Cam was the biggest sin. 

The GM argument doesn't hold weight because he literally chose the same GM to go with him lol.  If it was the case, we are still talking about Ron is too clueless to realize how bad of a GM Hurney is because he still brought him which still makes him a mediocre coach.   Ron seems like a good dude and a stable coach like others pointed out but he doesn't get you where you need to go.  Cam did carry that offense and carry us to red zone success after success especially in 2015.   Ron's defense was usually respectable but he kept playing guys like Fua and Nakamara and refused to put in the hot hand young guys.   Combined with almost no adjustments during half time, etc, it just led to mediocrity.  So yes Hurney did suck but Ron seemed to think he was pretty good, so it wouldn't matter, both are mediocre.  

[Varking]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Ron had a winning record here.    And he still has an overall winning record despite losing in Washington to date. 

Ron gets too much hate.   His window here simply closed.  That's coaching.   

 

Apologies. I meant he had three years here with a winning record out of 9 seasons. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Varking

[YourLastThought]

2 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Lol I like how I mentioned football aside and showed a touching video about his emotions just two weeks after his mother passing and people are hating on no back to back winning seasons.

This site has lots of douche holes and the internet as a whole if you have never noticed before. Lots of double chinned couch GM's and smart asses who think they have every answer from their living room. It's almost like being an obese pie eating loud mouth on a message board somehow qualifies some people as being experts and legends in their own living rooms.

Edited November 15, 2022 by YourLastThought

[JawnyBlaze]

 

Trash coach, threw his players under the bus, stubbornly held back talent. No thanks, he stuck around 6 years too long. Even Rhule might have been able to have a “winning record” with the generational talents we had those years. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by JawnyBlaze

[GRWatcher]

FYI Hurney is not GM in Washington. Martin Mayhew is. Hurney is executive vice president of football/player personnel. 

[Mistuh Jones]

f*ck Ron 

[Zaximus]

2 hours ago, GRWatcher said:

FYI Hurney is not GM in Washington. Martin Mayhew is. Hurney is executive vice president of football/player personnel. 

Eh he's still involved and was still brought there with Ron.  If Ron felt like Hurney impeded his progress at all that would make no sense.  

[CPcavedweller]

6 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Say what you want but he coached us to the best season we have ever had, and is an amazing person…football aside. I am happy to see moments like this, he has been in a terrible situation in Washington and in his personal life with the loss of his mother and cancer. He has always had the respect of his team and the locker room everywhere he has been.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRQNoRAE/

And that's why I wanted Wilks. People say that Wilks being similar to Rivera in demeanor is a bad thing. His guys play for him and truly love and respect him as a human being. Wilks has brought this team together more than admirablely.

[CRA]

5 hours ago, Waldo said:

Ron loved Hurney lol. Ron's best years were with DG, the years that got him over .500. He would have been a stellar HC in the 70s. He is a sub .500 HC without Cam and that is a fact from his time in DC. 

Rivera is presently only 5 games under .500 as a NFL coach without Cam Newton as his starting QB.  

Yeah, Ron is an old school defensive coach.  It's not my preferred coaching style in the modern NFL.  But Ron was still a good coach.  Two different things. 

[poundaway]

We'd be hating on Ron constantly if it wasn't for Cam.  Ron was gifted the #1 overall pick with a very obvious choice in that draft.  His  players are a who's who of the greatest Panthers of all time, and he couldn't get it done

The Broncos said that we made absolutely no adjustments in the SB.  We did exactly what they had on tape.  The loss was on Ron as much as anybody.
 

He constantly blamed the players with their "missed opportunities."  He punted in field goal range.   He overplayed old vets to a fault.

Ron COMPLETELY ignored the OL.

He used Cam as a battering ram, depleted our roster and then left us a  shlt show for the next coach to figure out.

 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

7 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Lol I like how I mentioned football aside and showed a touching video about his emotions just two weeks after his mother passing and people are hating on no back to back winning seasons.

You knew where this thread was going 

[CRA]

36 minutes ago, poundaway said:

We'd be hating on Ron constantly if it wasn't for Cam.  Ron was gifted the #1 overall pick with a very obvious choice in that draft.  His  players are a who's who of the greatest Panthers of all time, and he couldn't get it done

 

Cam Newton wasn’t Andrew Luck.  He wasn’t the consensus easy pick or obvious.   He was considered a risky gamble.  Especially at #1 overall. 

Players have made just about every good coach the NFL has ever seen. 

and Fox had more Panther greats than Ron. 

[Panthers4real]

He was a great guy. Horrible talent evaluator and loyal to a fault to veteran players, even when a non-vet was clearly the better option. 

[poundaway]

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

Cam Newton wasn’t Andrew Luck.  He wasn’t the consensus easy pick or obvious.   He was considered a risky gamble.  Especially at #1 overall. 

Players have made just about every good coach the NFL has ever seen. 

and Fox had more Panther greats than Ron. 

I call BS.

Choosing a QB is always a risky gamble.  College doesn't always translate to the pros. 

The questions is, what did we need and what was available. 

We clearly needed a QB and no one mocked Locker to us.   Cam Newton was the Heisman Trophy winner who carried Auburn on his back to the national championship.  The next QB (Locker ) wasn't taken until 8.  Nobody traded up for Locker .   ESPN, SI, BR, SBNation, Walter all mocked Cam to us. 

 

Edited November 15, 2022 by poundaway