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Where have all the BDJS ers gone?

Hairless Cat

By Hairless Cat,
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You could make this thread about any well known player.

Im sure Smith has his share of loyal do no wrong fans.

So 4 years from now or whenever he starts sucking can I make a thread how they were wrong?

Delhomme was good, now he's bad. So the sniffers move on, why do you care?

Problem is Jake was mediocre. But people thought was good. We wasted a couple of talented players due to that.

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In 2007 Jake played 2 1/2 games. He had 8 TDs of which Smitty had 4 and 400 yards. The rest of the year he had another 3 TDs and 600 yards. Your point??

Steve had 3 different starting QBs. A shell shocked pretty boy QB who didn't know what to do on the field, an old fossil , and a rookie. Yet still got over 1,000 yards. So why wait for the next 5 games to see if it was Smith that made Jake when you've already got 13. Oh and that Texans game where Smith had 2 TDs, was all him. Breaking tackles on a short pass then jumping and catching a pass that bounced off a Texan's shoulder pads. Don't remember if it was on here or not, but people actually were giving Jake credit for those when it was all Smith lol.

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Steve had 3 different starting QBs. A shell shocked pretty boy QB who didn't know what to do on the field, an old fossil , and a rookie. Yet still got over 1,000 yards. So why wait for the next 5 games to see if it was Smith that made Jake when you've already got 13. Oh and that Texans game where Smith had 2 TDs, was all him. Breaking tackles on a short pass then jumping and catching a pass that bounced off a Texan's shoulder pads. Don't remember if it was on here or not, but people actually were giving Jake credit for those when it was all Smith lol.

You do realize that getting 600 yards in 13 games is equivalent to 46 yards per game. Hell I could be the quarterback and throw to him for 46 yards per game. That is no feat at all and shows no great ability.

No one is trying to diminish Smith yet to say that he would get tons of yards with anyone is not fact based either. In the one time he didn't have Jake he was very mediocre. So the point remains, if he is the reason that any quarterback we have had has been good, then Moore will look like a hero and Smitty will go nuts in the last 5 games. If that doesn't happen, then the comments about Smitty making Jake or any other quarterback will be as vacuous as those posting those remarks.

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If you can't recognize that Smith is a top 5 WR and Jake has been mediocre to average QB his whole career, then I dont know what to tell you. If you can't recognize the reason Smith isn't doing good this year is because Jake is the worst Qb in the league, then you also are a "bdjs". If you really think Jake made Smith as much as Smith has made Jake, then I guess you think the same about Tom Brady and the countless number of WRs he's had right? Or wat about McNabb and all the receivers he's had?

There is a difference between WR talent and QB talent. As far as who makes who, sometimes its mutual, sometimes its not. The only time when it's mutual is when a good QB hooks up with a good WR such as Montana and Rice, Brady and Moss, Peyton and Harrison. Those relationships were mutual. But those same QBs still had other receivers that they made look good.

There are also times when a QB/WR relationship isn't mutal. Like Brady and every other WR he's had besides Moss. Or McNabb and every other WR he's had besides TO back in '04. There are also times the WR makes the QB look good. Look at the Texans. Andre Johnson has had Carr, Banks, and Schuab and still is a top 5 WR. Elite WRs just need someone that can throw in their area and they'll make plays for it. Elite QBs just need someone that doesn't drop the ball. It's a whole lot easier though if you're situation is the latter though.

Jake has always had many flaws with him. I noticed back in 2004 that he was going to have trouble. He's always had happy feet when back in the pocket, he doesn't recognize blitzs before the snap, he doesn't read the field well, rarely were his throws accurate, he would make poor decisions in crucial moments of the game, he would force it to Smith no matter if he was double or triple covered in critcal moments of the game, he had no side vision (see Vikings game last season), he has trouble holding on to the ball when hit, he doesn't know how to take a sack, the list goes on and on. He also had bad mechanics. All of this together was going to bite him in the ass the longer he played and it has.

He used to be able to get the ball to Smith's general direction as Smith made the acrobatic catches, but his throws were always mixed in with some way inaccurate throws. The year when Smith was hurt and Moose was in his prime, alot of his throws to Moose were inaccurate. Alot of the throws were jump balls, but Moose was still able to use his size and strength to fight for the ball.

Each year Jake has either stayed the same or digressed. And right now his inaccurate throws have taken over. Over the years, he has never made any improvements at all. And when he did show signs of improvement, it wasn't long before he regressed right back to his former self. This along with the flaws I mentioned above, it's easy to see that Jake is a product of the guys around him more so than the other way around or it being "mutual".

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If you can't recognize that Smith is a top 5 WR and Jake has been mediocre to average QB his whole career, then I dont know what to tell you. If you can't recognize the reason Smith isn't doing good this year is because Jake is the worst Qb in the league, then you also are a "bdjs". If you really think Jake made Smith as much as Smith has made Jake, then I guess you think the same about Tom Brady and the countless number of WRs he's had right? Or wat about McNabb and all the receivers he's had?

There is a difference between WR talent and QB talent. As far as who makes who, sometimes its mutual, sometimes its not. The only time when it's mutual is when a good QB hooks up with a good WR such as Montana and Rice, Brady and Moss, Peyton and Harrison. Those relationships were mutual. But those same QBs still had other receivers that they made look good.

There are also times when a QB/WR relationship isn't mutal. Like Brady and every other WR he's had besides Moss. Or McNabb and every other WR he's had besides TO back in '04. There are also times the WR makes the QB look good. Look at the Texans. Andre Johnson has had Carr, Banks, and Schuab and still is a top 5 WR. Elite WRs just need someone that can throw in their area and they'll make plays for it. Elite QBs just need someone that doesn't drop the ball. It's a whole lot easier though if you're situation is the latter though.

Jake has always had many flaws with him. I noticed back in 2004 that he was going to have trouble. He's always had happy feet when back in the pocket, he doesn't recognize blitzs before the snap, he doesn't read the field well, rarely were his throws accurate, he would make poor decisions in crucial moments of the game, he would force it to Smith no matter if he was double or triple covered in critcal moments of the game, he had no side vision (see Vikings game last season), he has trouble holding on to the ball when hit, he doesn't know how to take a sack, the list goes on and on. He also had bad mechanics. All of this together was going to bite him in the ass the longer he played and it has.

He used to be able to get the ball to Smith's general direction as Smith made the acrobatic catches, but his throws were always mixed in with some way inaccurate throws. The year when Smith was hurt and Moose was in his prime, alot of his throws to Moose were inaccurate. Alot of the throws were jump balls, but Moose was still able to use his size and strength to fight for the ball.

Each year Jake has either stayed the same or digressed. And right now his inaccurate throws have taken over. Over the years, he has never made any improvements at all. And when he did show signs of improvement, it wasn't long before he regressed right back to his former self. This along with the flaws I mentioned above, it's easy to see that Jake is a product of the guys around him more so than the other way around or it being "mutual".

TL : DR - Smith is real good. Jake is real bad.

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