Brian Burns has more sacks than any other player in NFL history under 25 years old

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Yeah, the obvious conflict of interest is there. Tepper should have demanded that trade be done

Tepper may have had a hand in preventing it, actually.  

Future assets (relative to present assets) aren't only worth less to GMs, they're worth less to the team as a whole, because they are delayed production and have an unknown value that is hard to plan around. With the Rams, we are more than likely talking mid to late round picks, too.

Now I still probably would have made the trade given the second this year, but I get the logic of not doing so, and I think there's more there than fitterer trying to save his job.

[pantherclaw]

He deserves an extension,  period. 

He's a core player, a defensive leader, and an incredible athlete at the position.  

Not to mention he doesn't want to.play for anybody else!

[Mr Mojo Risin]

3 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Well….I don’t believe it would be easy to match his production and future potential with two low future first round picks. Let’s the debate begin. Props to Burns….he should only continue to get better and is tied for 7th most sacks in the league even with a horrible offense for the majority of the season.

That's a cherry picked stat. Cool but its meaningless. Burns has yet to take over a game like a true franchise player at the DE position. Solid player but I wouldn't call him a blue chip piece, he's capable of having good games but will go long stretches where he has absolutely no impact on the game we've literally witnessed it every year hes been in the league.

Look at derrick brown for instance. Every game he makes his presence felt/known other than maybe the Bengals game.

 

BTW Reggie White has the most sacks by a player through their first 4 seasons in the NFL at 70.

[Rags]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Burns doesn't get double teamed. Watch him play, I do. He's a jag who gets a sack or a pressure when it doesn't matter. He never shows up on money downs. Hanes did it twice in one game. 

Burns is overrated and if they pay him he will NEVER earn it.

I've said my piece. 

ur just straight up lying abt burns lol

u also know the 2nd sack was entirely because McGary set inside to try to help w/ Brown right

 

[panthers55]

46 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Yeah I agree which is why I followed up with my last post about durability being a point in Burns' favor.  But clearly the guy I was responding to was not going the "injury/durability" route; it was never mentioned once in any of his posts.  It was meant to be a 1:1 comparison of Bosa and Burns having the same production over the same time period ergo are similar in ability.

Imagine someone making the case that Christian McCaffrey and Myles Gaskin are the same caliber player because their rushing and receiving stats are roughly equivalent over the last 3 seasons.  And someone points out that Christian McCaffrey has barely even played over the last 3 seasons because of injury and then that person responds "yeah well durability is a part of it".  Like okay sure lol.

Health is a big factor and staying on the field makes a big difference. CMC has been downgraded by many folks due to injury concerns even though a few years ago he was recognized as the best running back in the league.  Bosa is a different DE than Burns and aren't really directly comparable other than general stats.

[Smithers]

3 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Burns doesn't get double teamed. Watch him play, I do. He's a jag who gets a sack or a pressure when it doesn't matter. He never shows up on money downs. Hanes did it twice in one game. 

Burns is overrated and if they pay him he will NEVER earn it.

I've said my piece. 

Agree - Burns was being blocked by a friggin TE against Bengals at times.  He is not double teamed much at all 

[Smithers]

4 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Well….I don’t believe it would be easy to match his production and future potential with two low future first round picks. Let’s the debate begin. Props to Burns….he should only continue to get better and is tied for 7th most sacks in the league even with a horrible offense for the majority of the season.

Kind of a worthless stat, since players enter the league at different ages.  Compare # sacks in the first 4 seasons, and Burns is way down the list 

[thunderraiden]

4 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

 

“two low future first round picks”

There’s a good chance those future firsts from the Rams are actually high picks. Plus once you factor in Burns contract and where we are in our quest for a QB… there’s just no way to justify not accepting the trade

Again, the only person it didn’t benefit was Scott Fitterer. Big picture wise you take the deal. However, Scott needs to cling onto whatever chance he has at putting together a competitive team next season to keep his job. Picks in 2024 and 2025 don’t help him. 

What’s in the best interest of Scott Fitterer doesn’t line up with what’s in the best interest for the Carolina Panthers 

I know I'm late but aside from Houston all of these teams actually have competent offenses or goat coaches.

Can you imagine if we get an a great rookie QB next season or Corral balls out but we get on defense and never are able to stop anyone cause yall armchair generals got rid of the only passrusher the other team had to gameplan around. They def don't run rollouts to Burns side.

Edited November 11, 2022 by thunderraiden

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, Smithers said:

Kind of a worthless stat, since players enter the league at different ages.  Compare # sacks in the first 4 seasons, and Burns is way down the list 

Burns has only been a starter for 2 (now moving on to 3) seasons, in part because of his age. Over the last 2+ seasons, Burns is top ten in sacks, close to that in hits, and is the youngest player in that group (Bosa is close at 25 - the rest are 3+ years older than Burns). 

I do get the concern he hasn't taken over games, etc. And I think that he is a very good, but not yet an all pro DE. 

I'm going to play around with AV because I think the expected value of the trades was probably not actually worth Burns' production over the last couple years.

[AlphabetsEnd]

Burns gets far too much criticism for a guy playing opposite YGM, who might be the single biggest reason the run-game cannot hold up across four quarters. 

[Jon Snow]

11 minutes ago, AlphabetsEnd said:

Burns gets far too much criticism for a guy playing opposite YGM, who might be the single biggest reason the run-game cannot hold up across four quarters. 

Teams run to Burns side more than YGM and they both suck.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Teams run to Burns side more than YGM and they both suck.

last night they did

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

last night they did

And look at the results 

[Khyber53]

4 hours ago, Jaxel said:

Every DE in the league does this best work under this scenario.

Without a doubt, but in Burns' case, it is doubly important. He doesn't have the mass to successfully take on doubles all game long. 

I still think he was picked to, and made for, playing as an OLB in a 3-4 defense.