Brian Burns has more sacks than any other player in NFL history under 25 years old

[WarPanthers89]

Well….I don’t believe it would be easy to match his production and future potential with two low future first round picks. Let’s the debate begin. Props to Burns….he should only continue to get better and is tied for 7th most sacks in the league even with a horrible offense for the majority of the season.

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[mrcompletely11]

Nick Bosa?

[WarPanthers89]

Another thing to bring up….he has no talent on the opposite end spot either. Teams game plan for him week after week. 

[WarPanthers89]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Nick Bosa?

UNDER 25….he also has 33 career sacks so only .5 above Burns. He is also a generational talent so good company to be in.

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[*FreeFua*]

 

“two low future first round picks”

There’s a good chance those future firsts from the Rams are actually high picks. Plus once you factor in Burns contract and where we are in our quest for a QB… there’s just no way to justify not accepting the trade

Again, the only person it didn’t benefit was Scott Fitterer. Big picture wise you take the deal. However, Scott needs to cling onto whatever chance he has at putting together a competitive team next season to keep his job. Picks in 2024 and 2025 don’t help him. 

What’s in the best interest of Scott Fitterer doesn’t line up with what’s in the best interest for the Carolina Panthers 

[hepcat]

17 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

 

“two low future first round picks”

There’s a good chance those future firsts from the Rams are actually high picks. Plus once you factor in Burns contract and where we are in our quest for a QB… there’s just no way to justify not accepting the trade

Again, the only person it didn’t benefit was Scott Fitterer. Big picture wise you take the deal. However, Scott needs to cling onto whatever chance he has at putting together a competitive team next season to keep his job. Picks in 2024 and 2025 don’t help him. 

What’s in the best interest of Scott Fitterer doesn’t line up with what’s in the best interest for the Carolina Panthers 

100% agree. And it’s not that I don’t think Burns is a good player or potentially even a great player. He’s not worth what the Rams offered. The Panthers badly need a franchise QB and they’re going to play themselves out of the top 3 picks in the 1st round like they always do. They needed ammo to trade up to get a franchise QB. 

Scott might have considered that but thought Burns wasn’t worth that much, maybe he’s vital to the team camaraderie (which I could care less about since the team is ASS) but either way I wish they had gotten those picks. Burns is a player who would do well on a complete team. He’s a non factor on a garbage team. 

[WarPanthers89]

22 minutes ago, hepcat said:

100% agree. And it’s not that I don’t think Burns is a good player or potentially even a great player. He’s not worth what the Rams offered. The Panthers badly need a franchise QB and they’re going to play themselves out of the top 3 picks in the 1st round like they always do. They needed ammo to trade up to get a franchise QB. 

Scott might have considered that but thought Burns wasn’t worth that much, maybe he’s vital to the team camaraderie (which I could care less about since the team is ASS) but either way I wish they had gotten those picks. Burns is a player who would do well on a complete team. He’s a non factor on a garbage team. 

I completely disagree but respect your opinion. When you look around the league and the success rate at DE spot when picked middle and lower portions of round 1 you realize how specials someone like Burns is and is just 24 years old. 
 

Also…it’s not like Burns is doing anything to lower his trade value. He could be traded at any point after the season but based on his current trajectory he is not lowering his overall value especially when he has zero threat at the other DE spot and he performs even though teams have to focus on him specifically at DE

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[1of10Charnatives]

40 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

 

“two low future first round picks”

There’s a good chance those future firsts from the Rams are actually high picks. Plus once you factor in Burns contract and where we are in our quest for a QB… there’s just no way to justify not accepting the trade

Again, the only person it didn’t benefit was Scott Fitterer. Big picture wise you take the deal. However, Scott needs to cling onto whatever chance he has at putting together a competitive team next season to keep his job. Picks in 2024 and 2025 don’t help him. 

What’s in the best interest of Scott Fitterer doesn’t line up with what’s in the best interest for the Carolina Panthers 

Ty ty ty.

As much time and energy as fans spend obsessing over every aspect of football, it amazes me that more don't see the self interest in many FO and coaching decisions.  Fitterer failed to take that deal not because it was a bad deal for the team, but because it was a deal that wasn't in his personal interest in retaining his job.

If you're a head coach or GM, winning a SB is great, making the playoffs is great, but keeping those paychecks coming is even greater.  Until coach and GM contracts are heavily incentivized towards playoff success, the number one priority for any HC or GM being paid millions of dollars a year will be retaining your job over on the field success.

[hepcat]

Just now, WarPanthers89 said:

I completely disagree but respect your opinion. When you look around the league and the success rate at DE spot when picked middle and lower portions of round 1 you realize how specials someone like Burns is and is just 24 years old. 
 

Also…it’s not like Burns is doing anything to lower his trade value. He could be traded at any point after the season but based on his current trajectory he is not lowering his overall value especially when he has zero threat at the other DE spot and he performs even though teams have to focus on him specifically at the DE spot.

I'm not sure his value will ever be this high. Still on his rookie deal and only 24, he's the same age as some rookies coming out of the draft. The Rams were probably going to immediately throw a huge contract extension at him like the Dolphins did with Chubb. If the Panthers wait another season, he's another year older, contract extension prices for LB/DE's goes up again, and now he's worth less because he will be a higher cap hit sooner, and a year older.

I think the Panthers have made their decision, he's not getting traded at any point. Once he signs his extension with the Panthers, he's untradable and that could be as soon as this offseason.

And aside from the draft assets, I thought trading him made sense because who knows if he fits with what the new coaching staff will want next season. And if you want to entice an established coach like Sean Payton to coach the Panthers (not saying that I do), having those draft picks were a nice thing to offer.

 

[top dawg]

This is exactly why I don't think that he's lost any trade value. With every sack that he gets, he's actually bolstering his value. I still believe he'd be more effective as a 3-4 LB, but you never know. If we add a more traditional rusher on the other side, and let Haynes rush from the LB spot, we just might be special. If we decide to trade him, two firsts and a second is the floor.

[Jon Snow]

Burns got outplayed by Hanes yesterday.  Burns is overrated. 

[WarPanthers89]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Burns got outplayed by Hanes yesterday.  Burns is overrated. 

I’ll give you that he is no All pro yet, but Burns and Brown get all of the focus on every play. I would hope someone can step up. I don’t believe Hanes has seen a single double team since he has been in the league.

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[Jon Snow]

Just now, WarPanthers89 said:

I’ll give you that he is no All pro yet, but Burns and Brown get all of the focus on every play. I would hope someone can step up. I don’t believe Hanes has seen a single double team since he has been in the league.

Burns doesn't get double teamed. Watch him play, I do. He's a jag who gets a sack or a pressure when it doesn't matter. He never shows up on money downs. Hanes did it twice in one game. 

Burns is overrated and if they pay him he will NEVER earn it.

I've said my piece. 

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Pakmeng said:

So 4 players take on Burns and Brown every play?

Not last night