Lamar Jackson

[Wes21]

9 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

He had one decent year. Just like Cam did?

In his MVP year which doesn't mean best player or best QB he only had a pathetic 3100 yds passing

Yes - like the 15-1 season where we went to the Super Bowl.

[Wes21]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Lamar flew under the radar a little in college.  I didn't think he could do what he is doing on this level.  This year I like Stroud (who isn't a runner), Young (size concerns scare me), then Levis/Richardson as project QBs with high ceilings, Penix has some potential, but more as the left handed gun slinger.  What's your solution to our QB issue?  

Take a close look at CJ Stroud and really think about who he is surrounded by.  He is "pulling out wins" for the Buckeyes, but he has the talent advantage every week.  Guys who are good enough to be 1st round picks in the NFL are not good enough to play for Ohio State.  That's how good his receivers are. 

When I look closely at him I see a guy with a ton of arm talent that just doesn't have what it takes outside of that to be a franchise QB in the NFL.  He's one of those guys that looks amazing in his highlights but then when you really watch his game film and remember he has the better team by a country mile sometimes...it paints a different picture.  I see a slightly less awkward Jameis Winston in that regard.

[trueblade]

10 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

He's younger than Burrow, go for it.

He is, but given their relative play styles it wouldn't shock me if Burrow end up playing longer, though Burrow has taken a metric ton of sacks already.

At 25, Jackson should have at least 3-4 good years in him. I'd get on board for a run/window.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Take a close look at CJ Stroud and really think about who he is surrounded by.  He is "pulling out wins" for the Buckeyes, but he has the talent advantage every week.  Guys who are good enough to be 1st round picks in the NFL are not good enough to play for Ohio State.  That's how good his receivers are. 

When I look closely at him I see a guy with a ton of arm talent that just doesn't have what it takes outside of that to be a franchise QB in the NFL.  He's one of those guys that looks amazing in his highlights but then when you really watch his game film and remember he has the better team by a country mile sometimes...it paints a different picture.  I see a slightly less awkward Jameis Winston in that regard.

It's hard to really gage how good he is because of the talent thing, I agree.  He is however putting up some crazy numbers even with that talent.  Last week he was playing in a storm so he had to use his legs to help pull out that win and he was willing to get dirty and do it.  

I see a guy with a ton of arm talent and a good demeanor when it comes to coachability.  He is a team player and will try to do what it takes to win (he was running in front of his RB when he broke off that big run last week).  I'll take a coachable Jameis Winston all day.  Jameis's issues were mostly mental, he was showing up out of shape and isn't 100% checked into the game IMO.  Put his arm talent on a young, coachable man like Stroud and you might have something.  

It's still early in the season and there will be some big games left for some of these guys to step up.  Stroud is just my top choice at the moment.  He has everything you want physically in a QB, plus the stats to show he can play the position (with talent or not), and seems to have the team first mentality that will help in the development/coaching of him early in his career.

[CPantherKing]

6 hours ago, Toomers said:

So you think Kirk Cousins is an ideal and better qB than LJ. Because of a volume stat. Then disregard a major part of his game. 
 

Since he was drafted, the Ravens are 43-15 in games he starts. 6-10 in those he didn’t. Your passing theory doesn’t makkke sense.

Also, he has produced 9 GWD when the running game, coaching, and defense have lost control of the game. He accounts for being the major factor in 1 out of every 5 wins for the Ravens. His GWD% is 38% (this is what is expected from a good QB on a bad team).

I believe he is worth the risk compared to going after a Darnold, Mayfield, or Watson.

What concerns me is that his QB style is expected to be 9 seasons. Good pocket passers are 12 to 15 seasons. With 5 seasons under his belt, he is not a QB for a team rebuild. He is a plug and play QB for a team that has spent 2 to 3 seasons building a foundation for a QB. The Rams or 49ers would be good examples of a team that would benefit from a QB like Jackson. The Panthers do not have a contender foundation. They gave that up when they shipped off CMC and tossed out the Snow college speed D. There are no playmakers on offense and the defense will need a complete rebuild. 

The Panthers are set up with a good OL and some complimentary receivers with a few good defensive pieces for an NFL level defense. This team is better equipped to find a HC with NFL experience who has proven he can develop NFL QBs and go with a young QB to develop for his system in 2 seasons.

[Catsfan69]

18 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I like them to be able to make a play even when the OL breaks down.  Burrow is pretty good at that and I wouldn't say he has a ton of "style" points, younger Rogers was also good at this.  You are just too caught up in Super Bowl wins when that is without a doubt a TEAM effort and usually requires a solid HC as well.  Look no further than Stafford with Detroit (how many playoff games did he win there?).  Give that good QB and great team and solid HC and BOOM Super Bowl.  

Let's play what if.

You have a team ready to win the Superbowl like the Rams.

You can chose any QBs in the league to win it next year. I don't care about 10 yrs from now.

How many players do you take over Lamar? How many do you think give you a better chance at winning next year?

[Wes21]

5 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Let's play what if.

You have a team ready to win the Superbowl like the Rams.

You can chose any QBs in the league to win it next year. I don't care about 10 yrs from now.

How many players do you take over Lamar? How many do you think give you a better chance at winning next year?

Lamar might be available in real life.

How many of the QBs you would take over Lamar are going to be available in real life next year?  I would love to consider them as well.

Edited November 9, 2022 by Wes21

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Let's play what if.

You have a team ready to win the Superbowl like the Rams.

You can chose any QBs in the league to win it next year. I don't care about 10 yrs from now.

How many players do you take over Lamar? How many do you think give you a better chance at winning next year?

Mahomes

Allen

thats it…

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Let's play what if.

You have a team ready to win the Superbowl like the Rams.

You can chose any QBs in the league to win it next year. I don't care about 10 yrs from now.

How many players do you take over Lamar? How many do you think give you a better chance at winning next year?

Lamar on a loaded Rams team would be interesting as hell!  Let's see

Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady (it's hard NOT to pick Brady, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen... I'd probably have Lamar at 5ish maybe Herbert (but what has Herbert really done)?  I know I'm leaving out Rodgers, but something seems off with him this year, and I'm not sure if his head is in it.

Who do you have?

[Catsfan69]

10 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Lamar might be available in real life.

How many of the QBs you would take over Lamar are going to be available in real life next year?  I would love to consider them as well.

I don't want to tie myself to someone who I don't think can win the Superbowl. 

I didn't want Teddy Baker or Sam

Lamar is only worth 1 1st and 35mil a year. That's it.

I really don't care about just having winning seasons. 

1 ring and 14 straight losing seasons is more valuable than 15 winning seasons in a row and zero rings.

[Wes21]

8 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I don't want to tie myself to someone who I don't think can win the Superbowl. 

I didn't want Teddy Baker or Sam

Lamar is only worth 1 1st and 35mil a year. That's it.

I really don't care about just having winning seasons. 

1 ring and 14 straight losing seasons is more valuable than 15 winning seasons in a row and zero rings.

Sorry bro, I didn't realizing you were just trolling.  I will leave you to it.

Edited November 9, 2022 by Wes21

[Basbear]

29 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Mahomes

Allen

thats it…

herbo??

[Catsfan69]

31 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Lamar on a loaded Rams team would be interesting as hell!  Let's see

Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady (it's hard NOT to pick Brady, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen... I'd probably have Lamar at 5ish maybe Herbert (but what has Herbert really done)?  I know I'm leaving out Rodgers, but something seems off with him this year, and I'm not sure if his head is in it.

Who do you have?

I'm taking Mahomes Burrow Allen Brady Rodgers Carr Stafford

If they were playing normal and no rape Russ and Watson

Then Maybes Herbert Cousins but they are probably even swaps other even players are Dak 

 

So I wouldn't pay the guy better than 8th to 10th best and Brady is only making 25mil.

 

Edited November 9, 2022 by Catsfan69

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

herbo??

Maybe someday if he could get into a playoff game. I had Burrow and possibly Rodgers before him.