Is Burns really worth backing up a Brinks truck?

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

Hardest pill for me to swallow regarding Burns and our draft history:

Love Horn and was very much needed at the time. Hindsight sure, but imagine we had taken Micah Parsons to pair opposite Burns? Would have given us the ability to trade Burns for all of those picks and still have an elite pass rusher on a cheap deal. Yeesh. Always stuck asking “what could have been?” With this team. 

[mrcompletely11]

31 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

There are EASILY ten defensive guys in the NFL who are worth twice what Burns is worth. Dude can't even get 10 sacks (fingers crossed for this season lol) and we're going to pay him like he's a TJ Watt.

Ellis and billy went through this past draft and singled out guys drafted later then burns that give equal or almost equal production.  Burns aint that good relative to the trade offer

[Panthers Fan 69]

No. We had a huge missed opportunity not trading him.  

[pantherclaw]

Our best pass rusher, whom is universally respected across the league, is worth keeping by the fans of the team that drafted him. 

 

Can't make this poo up. 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

3 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

 

You don't trade a player you'll have to hope to replace at a PREMIUM position. 

 

But Burns isn't a PREMIUM player. He can indeed be replaced.

[Krovvy]

[panthers55]

15 hours ago, BrianS said:

Really?  Does he?

Mike Rucker, 6'5", 275

Julius Peppers, 6'7", 295

Charles Johnson, 6'2", 275

Greg Hardy, 6'2", 280

JJ Watt, 6'5", 288

Myles Garret, 6'4", 271

Etc.

Brian Burns, 6'5", 250

 

He's 20 to 30 lbs lighter than a prototypical DE.  That matters.  Burns does not have the size or strength of a typical DE.  He does have exceptional speed.  Frankly, he fits as a 3-4 OLB far far better than he does as a DE.

So far, I am not convinced that Burns will ever be great for us.  He'll be good.  As long as he wants "good" money and not great, all is well.  But paying great money for good production isn't what smart teams do.

You just picked guys who were bigger. How about  a list of several guys Burns size who were or are considered some of the best in history.. How abou  Von Miller,  michael Strahan, Jack Youngblood, Jason Taylor,  Charles Haley ,etc.  And again it won't be big money before 2025 so you are wrong or exaggerating your point of view. 

[panthers55]

15 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They will extend him in the offseason to free up cap space for 2023

 

Also to be a more complete player he needs to add at least 20 lbs of muscle, I just dont see that happening

 

In closing, fug you fat neck fitt.  I truly hope your ass is canned you fuging moron

Some of the best players in the hall of fame were DEs close to Burns size. Strahan, Jack Youngblood, Charles Haley, future HOF Von Miller and the list goes on.  

[micnificent28]

14 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

I feel like some of ya'll don't even watch him in our base fronts...he's normally standing up in a 2pt. 

Every now and then you see him in the Wide 9's, or a 3pt. 

People have to stop trying to force the idea that we run a traditional 4-3 defense, we don't and we haven't for a while. 

We've been hybrid more than anything with Even, and Odd fronts. 

''Pass Rushers'' get paid, that's just what it is, and that is his best attribute so he will get paid, he's on the 4th year of his rookie deal, and had his 5th year option picked up for 2023. They fact folks are worried about paying him is silly. 

The real piece is with NO help, he still has 6 sacks as the THE ONLY person an offense needs to pay attention to on the edge, and he is still producing. 

What ya'll should be looking at is who we can pair with him, to ease the load. I can understand not giving the ''bag'' to Reddick as he's somewhere between 10-20 lbs lighter than Brian (Reddick is 230-240 ish), and when Rhule nixed the signing of Carlos Dunlap (if you don't know go do your research) it hurt that group as we were in the latter stages of the FA period post draft and pickings were slim.

Brian is what you ''need'' in the NFL to win, you have to get after the QB and he does that as well as some of the best in the game, but stop trying to box him into a 4-3 role, he's not that. There really aren't a ton of guys in that ''traditional'' 43 role that excel as rushers. There are names, but the position is not what it used to be as Nickel is the base personnel package in the modern NFL, most teams are in it 60-70% of the time since offense feature 11 personnel, and spread sets, defending the run is harder because there are less big bodies on the field, and more space to run + dual threat QBs being more prominent in this era.

 

 

this.. thank you for being the voice of reason.

[Aussie Tank]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Some of the best players in the hall of fame were DEs close to Burns size. Strahan, Jack Youngblood, Charles Haley, future HOF Von Miller and the list goes on.  

Do you watch Brian Burns play and think future HOF because I do not 

[Rags]

There are teams that would kill to have their first round pick produce 31.5 sacks in 4 years and be relatively health and here the huddle group think says "no paying him bad" because he's bad in run defense and in the same breath think a rookie Will Anderson will turn this defense around I swear. 

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Do you watch Brian Burns play and think future HOF because I do not 

Hall of fame usually means a great player who plays at a high level for a long time. Way too early to crown him anything yet but let's  see how he develops over the next decade.

[Aussie Tank]

22 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Hall of fame usually means a great player who plays at a high level for a long time. Way too early to crown him anything yet but let's  see how he develops over the next decade.

He should of taken another step already. Can’t go around paying max contracts on hope 

[panthers55]

9 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

He should of taken another step already. Can’t go around paying max contracts on hope 

Remember when John Elway was middling at best and then won two Super bowls late in his career. He is in the hall of fame based on those Superbowls late in his career. As for max contracts we don't know what we will pay and may not until the end of 2023. So all this max contracts talk is way premature at this point.

Edited November 9, 2022 by panthers55