Willing to wait two more seasons?

[pantherj]

2 minutes ago, PantherFanInPhilly said:

So are you suggesting that the fans I see on Facebook, Twitter, etc. are wrong when they say all we need to do is bring Cam back?

Cam needs to run his cigar shop and stay away from football.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

We talking rookie qb or vet?

Probably both

[Snake]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

That's the reason we need to move back in the draft a minimum of once, more realistically TWICE.  Lots of holes and a tight cap.   Our entire draft class will need to make the 53-man roster.

That would take one crazy draft right there. More likely it will take 3 years to fix this mess. 

[AU-panther]

51 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You misunderstand. "Concrete path" is meant to convey the path getting TO a QB, less so getting to the right QB. IE, whether we decide to answer that question in free agency(again) or through the draft.

So if we try and court a HC without a shot at a highly rated QB in the draft or a shot at a franchise QB through free agency/trade, it's gonna be a tough sell.

If we had an answer at QB already, it becomes a much easier question but it isn't terribly often that jobs come open with franchise QB's present on those teams.

For us, we have Matt Corral under contract and a bunch of journeyman or bust FA QB's assembled. That isn't going to attract many candidates by itself.

People are overthinking it.

NFL head coach is one of the most exclusive jobs in the entire world (only 32), any given year there might only be 6-10 openings.  How many offensive coordinators are there? how many defensive? how many unemployed former coaches? 

 Will a lack of an established QB hurts us? In a few small cases, someone like Sean Payton probably would want to go a team with a better QB.  Maybe the hottest coaching candidate this offseason picks a better situation, but overall, there will be no shortage.

Most HC jobs are filled to teams without a good QB.  If the team had a good QB they wouldn't be so bad and there is a chance the HC wouldn't have got fired to start with.

If we don't pick a good coach, it won't be because none will be willing, it will be because we picked the wrong one.

 

 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

I can get us to $23.5M is cap space prior to FA and the draft with six moves.

Extensions:

Burns:  $12M

Brown:  $2.3M

Luvu: $2.1M

Cap Casualties:

Elflein: $2M

Wilson: $2.6M

Haynes: $2.5M

 

 

 

 

That's really more like 13.5 after draft picks sign. But yeah we have some wiggle room. 

[poorboysrev]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They had a top 10 qb on the roster.  We dont have anything.

Was Daniel Jones a top ten QB before Daboll got there? Saquan’s much better all of the sudden too. A lot of the key players are the same ones that did squat before. Just saying the right coach can turn us around quickly too

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

People are overthinking it.

NFL head coach is one of the most exclusive jobs in the entire world (only 32), any given year there might only be 6-10 openings.  How many offensive coordinators are there? how many defensive? how many unemployed former coaches? 

 Will a lack of an established QB hurts us? In a few small cases, someone like Sean Payton probably would want to go a team with a better QB.  Maybe the hottest coaching candidate this offseason picks a better situation, but overall, there will be no shortage.

Most HC jobs are filled to teams without a good QB.  If the team had a good QB they wouldn't be so bad and there is a chance the HC wouldn't have got fired to start with.

If we don't pick a good coach, it won't be because none will be willing, it will be because we picked the wrong one.

If you have paid attention to our previous coaching searches, you will notice that we were flatly turned down for interviews by some HC and OC candidates. 

Not every prospective coach wants any job out there. That happens every hiring cycle.

 

[ThPantherFan]

5 hours ago, Jmac said:

Are you okay with remaining patient while they finally built the team the right way?

I truly am.  We have some good young players.  FA might give us high level veterans.  However, we don't have an excess of cap so it will be interesting.  Hopefully we can be compettitive enough for the next 2 seasons to make a big difference in season 3.  If rule was still here we wouldn't be jack dam..it.

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

It shouldn't take 2 years to turn this into a winning team. It's been 5 years already.

Despite what Tepper and Rhule's dumbasses think, it doesn't take 7 years to make a winning team in the NFL.

The cap maybe our biggest enemy.

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If you have paid attention to our previous coaching searches, you will notice that we were flatly turned down for interviews by some HC and OC candidates. 

Not every prospective coach wants any job out there. That happens every hiring cycle.

 

Who?

[kungfoodude]

Just now, ThPantherFan said:

The cap maybe our biggest enemy.

The cap is easy to manipulate in the modern era. I think we have sharp enough people here to easily be able to do that.

That can is able to be kicked almost indefinitely as many teams have shown over the past 4-6 years.

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we talking a vet qb or rookie qb?

We've got a rookie qb from this year.  Like to see him develop more so IMO we need a vet.

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, hepcat said:

The panthers are one of the biggest messes in the NFL and I have a hard time believing there’s any path to success under David Tepper. He is definitely gaining a rep of being hard to work for and the best writers like Scott Fowler have eluded to it given the crazy amount of attrition the organization has gone through under his ownership

we’re f*cked. Sell the team David. 

Hard to argue.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Who?

Tony Elliott turned us down in 2019, although that was likely due to the Rooney Rule. Pep Hamilton turned us down this past offseason because he expected to have better opportunities available.

I believe Leftwich turned down a HC opportunity this past offseason(Jags maybe? as well. 

It's not uncommon. Remember McDaniels turning down multiple opportunities?