Executives grade trade activity

[Khyber53]

56 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Yeah, even if CMC gets back to his pre-injury form, it’s going to hard to say that we lost in this deal. What we got in return was pretty ridiculous.

We can't really judge it at all until we see how those picks get used. 

[TheCasillas]

17 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

We can't really judge it at all until we see how those picks get used. 

Thats the thing though... its not a matter of what the picks turn into. Its the fact we got all of those picks.

What the GM/FO chooses to do with those picks have nothing to do with the deal itself. If a new HC comes in and trades all of those picks for a single pick and flops and the team that received the picks get two great starters... was the CMC deal bad? or was the HC misuses of those resources bad?

[Growl]

23 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

2nd and 3rd rounders are projected starters in the league.

If the inverse of the situation you are sharing, or even the half inverse of it and we get one player that makes an impact and the rest is depth... then the deal is a major win. 

That being said.....There is no losing in that deal in this situation, its just bad management of the resources aqcuired in a solid trade.

projected as starter doesn’t meant staying power as a successful player, you’re looking at roughly a ~35% chance of a player selected in the second and third round becoming a long term player for you

those aren’t bankable numbers and the idea that the “good teams” get 3-4 starters out of every draft has been an enduring myth around here

[TheCasillas]

Just now, Growl said:

projected as starter doesn’t meant staying power as a successful player, you’re looking at roughly a ~35% chance of a player selected in the second and third round becoming a long term player for you

those aren’t bankable numbers and the idea that the “good teams” get 3-4 starters out of every draft has been an enduring myth around here

I was mainly replying to your statement: most of those picks don’t project as starters

As I stated, 2nd and 3rd rounders are projected starters.

[Growl]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

Thats the thing though... its not a matter of what the picks turn into. Its the fact we got all of those picks.

 

what in the hoop jumping nonsense is this

the goal isn’t to “get lots of picks”

it’s to “build a super bowl caliber roster”

[TheCasillas]

Just now, Growl said:

what in the hoop jumping nonsense is this

the goal isn’t to “get lots of picks”

it’s to “build a super bowl caliber roster”

you need picks to do that...

[Growl]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

I was mainly replying to your statement: most of those picks don’t project as starters

As I stated, 2nd and 3rd rounders are projected starters.

okay well I imagine your standards in life and expectations for yourself are far lower than they likely should be

[Growl]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

you need picks to do that...

no, you need good players to do that, “lots of picks,” especially the ones the panthers acquired in the mccaffrey deal are no reliable predictive indicator of success.

 

there is a reason the successful teams in this league are persistently willing to trade away their draft picks for proven successes.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

From the article:

“It is crazy to think the Panthers got almost a whole draft in the past two weeks,” one general manager said.

The Panthers sent McCaffrey to the 49ers for second-, third- and fourth-round picks in 2023 and a fifth-rounder in 2024. They also moved wide receiver Robbie Anderson to the Cardinals for a sixth-rounder in 2024 and a seventh-rounder in 2025.

“I think the six draft picks is the best (haul),” another general manager said. “They’re loading up for a QB next year. Either trade up or put good players around the new QB.”

The Panthers, who are currently in line for the third pick in April, are in desperate need for a quarterback after back-to-back offseason trades for Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield haven’t panned out.

They’re in an obvious rebuild, which they officially declared by firing head coach Matt Rhule and trading the franchise’s most popular player in McCaffrey, but they’ll begin to clear their books from those contracts in the offseason. They just need to be able to hit on their quarterback in the draft.

“I like what the Panthers did with the collection of picks for McCaffrey,” an executive said. “It was what they needed with their situation.”

The assistant coach added, “Long term, the Panthers will benefit most, because they have to fully rebuild.”

From the 49ers side...

The general opinion was that the McCaffrey trade was mutually beneficial. Hard to argue after McCaffrey racked up three touchdowns Sunday when the 49ers beat the Rams, 31-14.

“Instant splash,” the coach said.

But there’s one concern.

“Great for Carolina, tons of risk for San Francisco,” an executive noted. “He better stay healthy. And even if he does, is it because you managed his workload? Is that why you traded for him?  To manage his workload?”

A general manager agreed, “That’s a big haul for a running back who has been injured.”

It’s a valid trepidation. McCaffrey missed 23 games from 2020-21. And even though he was healthy this past offseason, the Panthers limited the 26-year-old’s reps in training camp and kept him out of the preseason.

If McCaffrey does stay healthy, though, as he did for his first three years in the league and again this season, the star running back has already shown what type of difference he can make for the 49ers.

And that’d make it a win-win.

Anyone that says the Panthers are rebuilding should be slapped in the face by whoever they're talking to.

We need a QB, otherwise this is a good roster (that can obviously be improved upon, as can every roster in the NFL).

Also it's still a loss as McCaffrey is a HoF talent that we traded away cheaply.

[TheCasillas]

4 minutes ago, Growl said:

no, you need good players to do that, “lots of picks,” especially the ones the panthers acquired in the mccaffrey deal are no reliable predictive indicator of success.

 

there is a reason the successful teams in this league are persistently willing to trade away their draft picks for proven successes.

You need picks to do that.... 

[TheCasillas]

12 minutes ago, Growl said:

okay well I imagine your standards in life and expectations for yourself are far lower than they likely should be

[rayzor]

47 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

RBs peak around 26-27.  CMC is 26.  He has been injured.  While I see him lasting a bit longer because he can catch, as a pure RB, his days are numbered.  To me, I do not see why any RB gets a second contract.  The teams rarely get value in doing so.  Think of RBs like college players--four years and graduate them.

Because of the excitement and production that comes from a good run game, RBs have always been highly valued by fans and many teams. The truth is that they get beat up a lot and it doesn't take a lot to replace production.

People want a star RB that you keep for years and years, but it's just not necessary because there are always younger and cheaper options out there. You may not find elite talent, but RB is a job that you don't really need elite talent.

It's better to focus your attention on QB and OL because once you have those in place, everyone else will produce more.

It's tempting, once you have a really good or even elite talent there to give them extensions, but you can be sure that you will be overpaying for a position and a player that will be breaking down much sooner than later.  

[Growl]

2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

You need picks to do that.... 

so just to be clear you’d like to see us move a couple of 1’s 

[rayzor]

45 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I was going to say, if his injury history continues, I don't think you can say he is a surefire HOFer. 

That's actually one of the most difficult positions to make the HOF, IMO.

true. he's got that kind of talent. doubtful he's got the durability to pull it off.