2023 Draft Picks

[ECHornet]

5 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

TE is low key #1 on the needs list 

My dream scenario is trading back and selecting TE Michael Mayer while acquiring an additional 1st in 2024. Then using that, if need be, to make sure we land Drake Maye next year. Just let Corral have his chance next year. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

3 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Watch we will win some meaningless games and have to trade them all to move up and set us back again 

God forbid we actually compete in our remaining games.  It's so much better to suck so we can have the draft pick of your choosing. 

[Aussie Tank]

3 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

God forbid we actually compete in our remaining games.  It's so much better to suck so we can have the draft pick of your choosing. 

Your either a contender or not what’s the point of costing ourselves assets for moral victories that shouldn’t matter to professionals 

[Jackie Lee]

26 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

TE is low key #1 on the needs list 

Eh for offense yes but DE opposite Burns or a true MLB would be just as impactful. Not knowing who the staff are going to be next year makes it all really tricky

[45catfan]

Rd1-QB -Bryce Young/Alabama

Rd2a-TE -Dalton Kincaid/Utah

Rd2b-DE -Andre Carter/Army

Rd3-MLB -Jack Campbell/Iowa

Rd4a-WR -Jermaine Burton/Alabama

Rd4b-OLB -Payton Wilson/NCSU

Rd5-C -Joe Tippman/Wisconsin

 

Lol, I've run nearly that identical simulation!   It's based on need too.  I've looked at our cap for next year and Elflein, Wilson and Haynes needs to be cap casualties.  So that's a C, MLB and edge.

Edited November 3, 2022 by 45catfan

[45catfan]

28 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

My dream scenario is trading back and selecting TE Michael Mayer while acquiring an additional 1st in 2024. Then using that, if need be, to make sure we land Drake Maye next year. Just let Corral have his chance next year. 

Big time on the Mayer train, but failing to move Burns scrapped that notion.  We will not move back in the top 5 and Mayer won't last to #33.

[Bostonheelfish]

Pick Jalen Carter and pair him with Derrek Brown. That is all. We have good talent and depth at DT but Jalen Carter is a once in a decade type DT. Waaay more talented than any of the available QBs

[Bostonheelfish]

32 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

My dream scenario is trading back and selecting TE Michael Mayer while acquiring an additional 1st in 2024. Then using that, if need be, to make sure we land Drake Maye next year. Just let Corral have his chance next year. 

I think this is best too. The defensive talent at the top of this draft is unreal. I’m not wild about entrusting the franchise’s next 3 years to any of these QBs. Trade back. Get the best player available in the middle of round one, and have all the ammunition in the world to go after the first pick next year to draft Maye. Maye is worth it. 

[ECHornet]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Big time on the Mayer train, but failing to move Burns scrapped that notion.  We will not move back in the top 5 and Mayer won't last to #33.

I can see a scenario where the top 2 QBs are gone and a team is willing to lose value in a trade to acquire Anderson/Carter. If someone in the 7-12 range wants to swap picks and send a 2024 1st and more, I’m for it. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

15 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Your either a contender or not what’s the point of costing ourselves assets for moral victories that shouldn’t matter to professionals 

You don't get it. 

First, Professional Football players and Organizations don't live around the draft.  It is one part of a whole season.  It's not like there is only ONE good player in the draft.  There are other options to be considered.  2023 draft doesn't have that for sure Franchise QB.  Tanking for the first spot does not guarantee you've solved your teams' problems. 

Second, it's called a loser mentality.  Wilks is trying to establish a winner's mentality and you don't throw games when you still have a chance to do something.

The Phillies are a perfect example.  They were on their way to a losing record.  They switched coaches and snuck into the playoffs.   They Beat Atlanta and the Mets to make it to the World Series and are in a position to win it all.  Granted Football is a one and done scenario but there have been several underdogs with "NO SHOT" at winning the SB, who actually win it.   Who knows what can happen.  Our division is up for grabs, and we are still in it.   

Because you have no faith and have given up on this team doesn't mean the rest of us have.  We are playing better and actually are enjoyable to watch.  

 

[ECHornet]

4 minutes ago, Bostonheelfish said:

I think this is best too. The defensive talent at the top of this draft is unreal. I’m not wild about entrusting the franchise’s next 3 years to any of these QBs. Trade back. Get the best player available in the middle of round one, and have all the ammunition in the world to go after the first pick next year to draft Maye. Maye is worth it. 

Agreed. His combination of measurables, arm talent, ability to read the field, and running ability is rare and elite. Plus he has moxy and is great with the media. 
 

The trouble is I think we’ll have to have the #1 pick to land him. 

[Aussie Tank]

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

You don't get it. 

First, Professional Football players and Organizations don't live around the draft.  It is one part of a whole season.  It's not like there is only ONE good player in the draft.  There are other options to be considered.  2023 draft doesn't have that for sure Franchise QB.  Tanking for the first spot does not guarantee you've solved your teams' problems. 

Second, it's called a loser mentality.  Wilks is trying to establish a winner's mentality and you don't throw games when you still have a chance to do something.

The Phillies are a perfect example.  They were on their way to a losing record.  They switched coaches and snuck into the playoffs.   They Beat Atlanta and the Mets to make it to the World Series and are in a position to win it all.  Granted Football is a one and done scenario but there have been several underdogs with "NO SHOT" at winning the SB, who actually win it.   Who knows what can happen.  Our division is up for grabs, and we are still in it.   

Because you have no faith and have given up on this team doesn't mean the rest of us have.  We are playing better and actually are enjoyable to watch.  

 

I do get it and it’s called a productive struggle. We should be playing a lot more young players treating this season as a pre season. You think the players are gonna feel like world beating winners with 6 wins for the year instead of 3 no. What it will do is cost us value for the draft. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 hour ago, Aussie Tank said:

I do get it and it’s called a productive struggle. We should be playing a lot more young players treating this season as a pre season. You think the players are gonna feel like world beating winners with 6 wins for the year instead of 3 no. What it will do is cost us value for the draft. 

Go tell the players and coaching staff these games are meaningless.

You're thinking as a fan not a player.  I got you think they should just throw the season away because we are two games behind the leader that we just lost to in overtime.   Got it.   The entire team from top to bottom including management isn't thinking about 2023.  They want to win now and won't stop trying until they are mathematically eliminated.  

I don't know if you remember 2004.  This team was decimated with injuries.  This was the year Smitty broke his ankle right out the gate.  I believe we were 1-6 and went on a tear.  We won like 6 out of 7 and put ourselves in a position to make it to a wild card spot.  You just can't give up because you have a losing record.

I get if we are mathematically eliminated that we play younger players.  Makes sense but until we are eliminated, they won't stop trying to win.   

I don't see how you don't get this.  

 

[Aussie Tank]

17 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Go tell the players and coaching staff these games are meaningless.

You're thinking as a fan not a player.  I got you think they should just throw the season away because we are two games behind the leader that we just lost to in overtime.   Got it.   The entire team from top to bottom including management isn't thinking about 2023.  They want to win now and won't stop trying until they are mathematically eliminated.  

I don't know if you remember 2004.  This team was decimated with injuries.  This was the year Smitty broke his ankle right out the gate.  I believe we were 1-6 and went on a tear.  We won like 6 out of 7 and put ourselves in a position to make it to a wild card spot.  You just can't give up because you have a losing record.

I get if we are mathematically eliminated that we play younger players.  Makes sense but until we are eliminated, they won't stop trying to win.   

I don't see how you don't get this.  

 

I’ll let you in on a little insight I’m thinking like a fan because I am one. I care about the team not individual players or coaches. Trust me I know the players and coaches want to win but blind Freddy can see they’re in the bottom 5 sides in the league. How many times do people say that they should of given player a or player b some snaps so we have an idea going forward that’s why we need to treat this year as an roster evaluation year. 
 

And don’t try and sell me on scraping into the playoffs because of our garbage division. Then getting 50 hung on us in the wildcard round, all while losing a poo load of draft value would be the best path to improving our sides future