Top 5 QBs taken over the last 12 years

[trueblade]

4 hours ago, MechaZain said:

One The Golden Calf of Bristol fanboy from Bleacher Report lmao. Ok bud.

There were questions about Cam's character and whether he had the football IQ for the pros. I don't mean surefire as in he was considered a guaranteed success, literally no one is. But it didn't take genius to select the Lebron sized Heisman QB who had the greatest college season ever.  The only ones since who have come in with comparable hype are Luck, RG3, and Lawrence.

 

"The toughest call in football..."

Edited November 3, 2022 by trueblade

[saX man]

With Flacco, Stafford, Rodgers and Brady (3 SB winners) all near retirement, Wilson, Mahomes, and Foles are about to be the only active QB with a SB win.  Essentially 2 active starters w/SBs, one has clearly hit an age wall. 

So unless KC or DEN start winning every year, there's going to be 1st timers floating around. 

So who are they?  Because it's looking pretty baren in the NFC. 

The AFC? Sure, you've got Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, Tua, Burrow, Herbert could be the ones gunning fora ring.  

The NFC? Dak? Cousins? Murray? Hurts? Those are our baselines. 

If we can find a guy that's at least a Dak, we could be a great shape these next 6-8 years. The NFC is about to get crazy interesting.  Recent high picks are looking like busts, I mean, Geno is the current cream rising to the top.  It's wild.  So, I think we can find someone in this class.  They don't need to be Montana.  

[Wundrbread33]

18 minutes ago, trueblade said:

"The toughest call in football..."

It really wasn’t though. Did anyone watch Gabbert in college? Maybe if you put Chase Daniel’s heart and brain into Gabbert, but the dude just didn’t have it. 

[Wundrbread33]

Cam during the pre draft process, and continuing through his career, was treated like a 21st century Jack Johnson (boxer).

 

The difference is with Jack Johnson, the racism was direct. A century later, it was coded. 
 

They both were alpha, gifted, unique, obnoxiously confident, and unapologetically authentic.

 

This does not mean all criticism was coded racism, but overall there is a noticeable way that Cam was criticized over his career, vs. his counterparts.

[Sgt Schultz]

22 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Cam during the pre draft process, and continuing through his career, was treated like a 21st century Jack Johnson (boxer).

 

The difference is with Jack Johnson, the racism was direct. A century later, it was coded. 
 

They both were alpha, gifted, unique, obnoxiously confident, and unapologetically authentic.

 

This does not mean all criticism was coded racism, but overall there is a noticeable way that Cam was criticized over his career, vs. his counterparts.

Certainly it is some of that, but of the other QBs on the list, who was as flashy (for lack of a better word) as Cam?  The NFL has always had a bias against flashiness. 

Manziel was flashy, but he flamed out before he even started.  And he was heavily criticized (many, if not most or nearly all, valid).  The Golden Calf was also heavily criticized and had people rooting for his demise.  He wasn't very good so it didn't last long, but it still comes up.

Heck, Mayfield received his fair share of criticism when he showed any of those same qualities in Cleveland.

The most obvious difference with Cam, other than the color of his skin, was the fact he was good for so long.  The other guys in this discussion were basically flashes in the pan.  The venom and ill-will pointed at them only lasted as long as the spotlight was lit, which was not generally very long. 

Going back to the cave man era, Namath got death threats for his brashness.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Sgt Schultz

[Wundrbread33]

2 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Certainly it is some of that, but of the other QBs on the list, who was as flashy (for lack of a better word) as Cam?  The NFL has always had a bias against flashiness. 

Manziel was flashy, but he flamed out before he even started.  And he was heavily criticized (many, if not most or nearly all, valid).  The Golden Calf was also heavily criticized and had people rooting for his demise.  He wasn't very good so it didn't last long, but it still comes up.

Heck, Mayfield received his fair share of criticism when he showed any of those same qualities in Cleveland.

The most obvious difference with Cam, other than the color of his skin, was the fact he was good for so long.  The other guys in this discussion were basically flashes it the pan.  The venom and ill-will pointed at them only lasted as long as the spotlight was lit, which was not generally very long. 

Going back to the cave man era, Namath got death threats for his brashness.

Well said

[raleigh-panther]

23 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

And almost everybody on this board were dying for him. 

….watched  NFL Access last  night and Robinson and McGinnis  did a 2021 redraft and both pick Fields ahead of Lawrence as the number 1 QB

fields, like Lawrence, is on a second offensive system in two years and a coaching change 

To me, fields is a warrior with all the athletic ability in the world.   Lawrence is not.  It’s probably best for fields that dumb poo Rhule didn’t take him   In the NFL, gotta be a warrior.  

Fields ceiling is along way from being met   I’ll never forget him taking that huge hut to his rubs…I thought he had been cut in half in the ncaa playoffs…got up and threw for a TD.

in the NFL, you gotta have that mentality. 

[Growl]

5 hours ago, MechaZain said:

One The Golden Calf of Bristol fanboy from Bleacher Report lmao. Ok bud.

There were questions about Cam's character and whether he had the football IQ for the pros. I don't mean surefire as in he was considered a guaranteed success, literally no one is. But it didn't take genius to select the Lebron sized Heisman QB who had the greatest college season ever.  The only ones since who have come in with comparable hype are Luck, RG3, and Lawrence.

 

what are you even saying here

im telling you, since you weren’t following football then, what the general consensus was from virtually every corner of the scouting world at the time

”but he’s Lebron sized!”

thanks for your contribution here, no one cared. 

 

[MechaZain]

1 hour ago, trueblade said:

"The toughest call in football..."

Who's front and center.

Y'all are absolute clowns if you're seriously suggesting that the Panthers made some sort of sleeper pick in Cam Newton. 

[MechaZain]

33 minutes ago, Growl said:

what are you even saying here

im telling you, since you weren’t following football then, what the general consensus was from virtually every corner of the scouting world at the time

”but he’s Lebron sized!”

thanks for your contribution here, no one cared. 

 

Name who's comparably rated in this class or gtfoh with this lame nonsense