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Rams Offering Two (Future) Firsts for Burns

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If only they'd made the trade then in three years we could have drafted Burns' replacement with one of the picks and would be able to look forward to trading that player in another four years!

It's clear Fitt thinks we can retain Burns long term.

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https://theathletic.com/podcast/211-the-athletic-football-show/?episode=529

 

Good discussion about the Burns trade offer from a couple of national guys.  about 1:06 in

basically said fitt didnt do it because of his job security, said good stable teams would do this 100 times out of 100

And a piece from the ringer  https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/11/1/23435812/nfl-trade-deadline-winners-losers-dolphins-packers-vikings-bears

 

Loser: The Carolina Panthers

Sherman: It seemed like the biggest seller of the 2022 season was going to be the Carolina Panthers. They fired head coach Matt Rhule after Week 5, then traded WR Robbie Anderson and RB Christian McCaffrey after Week 6. With a bad record, a lame duck interim coach, and some of their best talent already out the door, the Panthers were essentially declaring their season over. Every player on the roster seemed to have a price tag on them. But on Tuesday, Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated reported a deal that the Panthers were apparently not interested in: The Rams offered them at least two first-round picks for star defensive end Brian Burns … and the Panthers said no.

 

This isn’t about Brian Burns, who is a really solid player and currently ranked seventh in the NFL in QB pressures according to Pro Football Focus. He’s great! But two first-round picks. The Panthers didn’t even get a single first-rounder in exchange for McCaffrey—just one pick in each of the second, third, fourth, and fifth rounds. And they could’ve gotten two for Burns, who will be a free agent after next season.

There are some extenuating circumstances. The Rams have already traded away most of their draft picks in between now and the heat death of the universe, so these first-round picks would be in the 2024 and 2025 drafts. And the Rams tend to be good, so they might have been late first-rounders.

But still! Two first-round picks! The Panthers will be bad this year, and they’ll probably be bad next year. Why keep Burns for those two seasons instead of getting two massively valuable picks? Unless Burns is a franchise-type superstar who can dominate opposing offenses when the Panthers’ rebuild is complete, this seems like a missed opportunity.

 

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In terms of trade value there is a round penality for every year away the pick is. So essentially 2 1st from the Rams in 23 & 24 equal a 3rd and 4th round pick. 

If a team who had 2 1sts next year offered that pkg you take it! Of course this screams a long term commitment is about to be made to a 24 year old top 7ish D end in the league! 

 

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24 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://theathletic.com/podcast/211-the-athletic-football-show/?episode=529

 

Good discussion about the Burns trade offer from a couple of national guys.  about 1:06 in

basically said fitt didnt do it because of his job security, said good stable teams would do this 100 times out of 100

And a piece from the ringer  https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/11/1/23435812/nfl-trade-deadline-winners-losers-dolphins-packers-vikings-bears

 

Loser: The Carolina Panthers

Sherman: It seemed like the biggest seller of the 2022 season was going to be the Carolina Panthers. They fired head coach Matt Rhule after Week 5, then traded WR Robbie Anderson and RB Christian McCaffrey after Week 6. With a bad record, a lame duck interim coach, and some of their best talent already out the door, the Panthers were essentially declaring their season over. Every player on the roster seemed to have a price tag on them. But on Tuesday, Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated reported a deal that the Panthers were apparently not interested in: The Rams offered them at least two first-round picks for star defensive end Brian Burns … and the Panthers said no.

 

This isn’t about Brian Burns, who is a really solid player and currently ranked seventh in the NFL in QB pressures according to Pro Football Focus. He’s great! But two first-round picks. The Panthers didn’t even get a single first-rounder in exchange for McCaffrey—just one pick in each of the second, third, fourth, and fifth rounds. And they could’ve gotten two for Burns, who will be a free agent after next season.

There are some extenuating circumstances. The Rams have already traded away most of their draft picks in between now and the heat death of the universe, so these first-round picks would be in the 2024 and 2025 drafts. And the Rams tend to be good, so they might have been late first-rounders.

But still! Two first-round picks! The Panthers will be bad this year, and they’ll probably be bad next year. Why keep Burns for those two seasons instead of getting two massively valuable picks? Unless Burns is a franchise-type superstar who can dominate opposing offenses when the Panthers’ rebuild is complete, this seems like a missed opportunity.

 

It’s how this fanbase always is. We get a good player and act like they’re irreplaceable. 
 

We’ve seen this story play out a bunch and then when they’re not performing to the elite contracts those same fans say they deserve they talk poo about them when they’re exposed as damaged goods. 

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1 hour ago, frankw said:

There is validity to this but it's also a different kind of trade. If someone offered us that haul to move down in the draft and we passed we could draw parallels. This does not compare to that IMO not picks two years away that could be with an entirely different GM. I get you guys are frustrated but it's getting a little excessive now. And I still don't buy for one minute any of ya'll are gonna be singing happy songs if we have a trash ass pass rush. Don't fuging sit here and lie to me lol.

But we already have a trash ass pass rush?

1996 pass rush is the bar.

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://theathletic.com/podcast/211-the-athletic-football-show/?episode=529

 

Good discussion about the Burns trade offer from a couple of national guys.  about 1:06 in

basically said fitt didnt do it because of his job security, said good stable teams would do this 100 times out of 100

And a piece from the ringer  https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/11/1/23435812/nfl-trade-deadline-winners-losers-dolphins-packers-vikings-bears

 

Loser: The Carolina Panthers

Sherman: It seemed like the biggest seller of the 2022 season was going to be the Carolina Panthers. They fired head coach Matt Rhule after Week 5, then traded WR Robbie Anderson and RB Christian McCaffrey after Week 6. With a bad record, a lame duck interim coach, and some of their best talent already out the door, the Panthers were essentially declaring their season over. Every player on the roster seemed to have a price tag on them. But on Tuesday, Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated reported a deal that the Panthers were apparently not interested in: The Rams offered them at least two first-round picks for star defensive end Brian Burns … and the Panthers said no.

 

This isn’t about Brian Burns, who is a really solid player and currently ranked seventh in the NFL in QB pressures according to Pro Football Focus. He’s great! But two first-round picks. The Panthers didn’t even get a single first-rounder in exchange for McCaffrey—just one pick in each of the second, third, fourth, and fifth rounds. And they could’ve gotten two for Burns, who will be a free agent after next season.

There are some extenuating circumstances. The Rams have already traded away most of their draft picks in between now and the heat death of the universe, so these first-round picks would be in the 2024 and 2025 drafts. And the Rams tend to be good, so they might have been late first-rounders.

But still! Two first-round picks! The Panthers will be bad this year, and they’ll probably be bad next year. Why keep Burns for those two seasons instead of getting two massively valuable picks? Unless Burns is a franchise-type superstar who can dominate opposing offenses when the Panthers’ rebuild is complete, this seems like a missed opportunity.

 

So…an opinion piece is used to strengthen your argument? Pretty weak. 

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14 hours ago, Wundrbread33 said:

One last stab at it. A few people have said the equivalent of “I don’t care about the gm system, we are fans and that’s the point of view that matters.”

 

Let’s say we end up with round 2, pick 15. A team really wants that pick, and will only trade future picks. Would you be fine with a 2024 2nd round pick? We don’t lose a 2nd round pick. Maybe the 2024 is better than 15th in the round. We are just kicking it back a year. Maybe the 2024 class is better… 
 

Or would you absolutely rage?

@mrcompletely11 still waiting for an answer, or at least why you said “it doesn’t work like that.”

 

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