Rams Offering Two (Future) Firsts for Burns

[WUnderhill]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

What did the Bears give up for Mack? He was an elite pass rusher at the time…

The Raiders traded him plus a second and a fifth for 2 firsts, a third, and a sixth. For an all-pro and DPOY. And people here balking at 2 firsts for Brian Burns

[TheCasillas]

Just now, WestPanthers said:

Rookie contract, Rookie contract.....

And how much we're going to renew the contract with Burns?? Is he accept the new contract we offer if he knows he is worth 2 1st??

try again... this needs a grammar check. I honeslty dont know what you are asking or saying.

[glenwo2]

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

Trade him and draft who? Another DE that is not guaranteed to be the same or greater than? Just keep him and get someone opposite of him. Dont create another hole.

Nothing is guaranteed.

But when you can get two freebie 1st rounders to go along with your own 1st rounders in 2 upcoming drafts, you do it.

This isn't like they're offering two 2nd rounders or anything (in which case I'd tell the Rams GM to go screw himself)....

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

what did those picks turn out to be for the Raiders? 

 

Bears traded away:
2019 first round (running back Josh Jacobs at No. 24 by Raiders)
2019 sixth round (cornerback Blessuan Austin at No. 196 by Jets)
2020 first round (cornerback Damon Arnette at No. 19 by Raiders)
2020 third round (receiver Bryan Edwards at No. 81 by Raiders)

Was still Gruden making the picks at that time, wasn't it?

Edited November 1, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[PNW_PantherMan]

Turning down this deal and making Brian Burns the cornerstone of the defense is a big mistake.  He is a good player but get ready for a monster overpay if we don't move him.

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, HPPantherzfan said:

The Bears traded two first-round picks, a third-round pick and a sixth round pick to the Oakland Raiders for Mack and 2020 second round and conditional fifth round draft picks. 

But even the most diehard fan on here isn't going to compare Kalil Mack to Brian Burns....are they?

So not even 2 firsts (the 2nd and 5th more than offset the 3rd and 6th).  I know they weren't a year in advance but it seems like good compensation for Burns who is younger but not the force Mack was.  

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Trade him and draft who? Another DE that is not guaranteed to be the same or greater than? Just keep him and get someone opposite of him. Dont create another hole.

About the only scenario where I could see trading for only two firsts is if you got the Eagles two first rounders from this year.

That would be hard to pass up.

[run-run-pass-punt]

Taken in totality:

1) Panthers not in win-now mode

2) As great as Burns is, you have to consider cap expenditures for a potential re-sign, while retooling the roster in some areas. I think you have to consider the potential  / hypothetical cap relief / flexibility by parting company.

3) Rams future firsts could be pretty sweet depending on how things play out, and even if they're not upper half of the draft, 1st rounders are very valuable, whether used to draft or as capital to acquire other assets.

Personally, I'd do it if they throw in a 4th next year on the offer.

 

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

The Raiders traded him plus a second and a fifth for 2 firsts, a third, and a sixth. For an all-pro and DPOY. And people here balking at 2 firsts for Brian Burns

Burns is on his way to have almost the same amount of sacks that Mack had his first 4 years in the NFL before he was traded... they arent that far amount stat wise as players.

[WUnderhill]

5 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

what did those picks turn out to be for the Raiders? 

 

Bears traded away:
2019 first round (running back Josh Jacobs at No. 24 by Raiders)
2019 sixth round (cornerback Blessuan Austin at No. 196 by Jets)
2020 first round (cornerback Damon Arnette at No. 19 by Raiders)
2020 third round (receiver Bryan Edwards at No. 81 by Raiders)

Dude they had Mike freaking Mayock running the draft what do you expect.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

Burns is on his way to have almost the same amount of sacks that Mack had his first 4 years in the NFL before he was traded... they arent that far amount stat wise as players.

Mack was a much much better run stopper then burns is.  Thats the main difference between the 2

[TheCasillas]

Just now, stbugs said:

You’d rather not have a Patrick Surtain instead of CJ or Donte? You’d rather not have a Parsons instead of YGM?

I dont follow because CJ (3rd round pick), Donte (2nd roud pick) and YGM (2nd round pick) werent top 12 draft picks like Surtain and Parson. 

You'd be giving up a top end DE for 2 pick that have a chance to be in the top 12....and that chance is very low.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, WUnderhill said:

Dude they had Mike freaking Mayock running the draft what do you expect.

Sort of...

Jon Gruden had pretty much the same deal as Matt Rhule. He was in charge of everything.

I've seen a few people speculate that he only brought Mayock aboard as a fall guy in case he needed one.

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Mack was a much much better run stopper then burns is.  Thats the main difference between the 2

Burns is top 5 in the nfl against the run this year ... he is ascending. The guy is 24 and we are talking about him as if this is the end of growth. You are pulling the plug on what every tema wants.... a young player who is turning into an elite player on the field.