What’s your 2023 QB big board (including Corral)

[ForJimmy]

https://theathletic.com/3743200/2022/10/29/tracking-nfl-draft-2023-qb-prospects/?amp=1

[Varking]

22 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

https://theathletic.com/3743200/2022/10/29/tracking-nfl-draft-2023-qb-prospects/?amp=1

We’ve split these names into three tiers, the first being obvious first-round potential, the second being the next-best batch and the third being the group still being monitored. As always, let me hear your thoughts below.

Tier 1

• Bryce Young
• CJ Stroud
• Will Levis

Tier 2

• Hendon Hooker
• Anthony Richardson
• Aiden O'Connell
• Tanner McKee
• Cameron Ward
• Clayton Tune
• Grayson McCall

Tier 3

• Sam Hartman
• Jayden Daniels
• Dorian Thompson-Robinson
• Jake Haener
• Michael Penix Jr
• Jaren Hall
• Ben Bryant
• Stetson Bennett IV
• Bo Nix
• DJ Uiagelelei
• Phil Jerkovec
• Devin Leary

List updated as of October 30, 2022. 

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Varking

[mrcompletely11]

Buckle up buttercups I bet we gamble on AR15.  Just seems like a pick we will make

[Varking]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Buckle up buttercups I bet we gamble on AR15.  Just seems like a pick we will make

I know this is silly, but hes asked to not be branded with AR15 going forward. Something about school shootings and such. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

I know this is silly, but hes asked to not be branded with AR15 going forward. Something about school shootings and such. 

fair enough, its just easy to type

[Varking]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

fair enough, its just easy to type

Oh for sure. It makes me believe that next season at Florida, or the NFL, he may have a new number. Its the only way he is going to get away from it. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

Oh for sure. It makes me believe that next season at Florida, or the NFL, he may have a new number. Its the only way he is going to get away from it. 

LIke I said earlier about him, once in about a dozen or so plays you go "holy poo" and see why people poo their pants for him.  Whether its scrambling or throwing absolute lasers he has the skill but man is he far away from being ready.   Then again if you go back to JOsh allens rookie year the dude was sup 50% if I remember correctly so I dont know

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Buckle up buttercups I bet we gamble on AR15.  Just seems like a pick we will make

If we do, we definitely need a vet who can start the first part of the season. Minshew keeps coming to mind…

[ForJimmy]

Also if Willis looks good today Richardson could move up a little. Willis was considered very raw as a passer and needed a year or two to develop. If he is already looking decent halfway into his rookie year that could signal to teams these players can be developed quicker that we initially thought. 

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

LIke I said earlier about him, once in about a dozen or so plays you go "holy poo" and see why people poo their pants for him.  Whether its scrambling or throwing absolute lasers he has the skill but man is he far away from being ready.   Then again if you go back to JOsh allens rookie year the dude was sup 50% if I remember correctly so I dont know

Yeah Allen in college was nothing to write home about other than HE THROWS HARD AS HELL!!! He had 56% completions through three years of college. But he had the tools you felt you could mold as a pro QB. 6'5 233 with a rocket for an arm and good wheels for his size. The difference between Richardson in college and Allen in college is that Allen played nobody so his competition level was always low. Richardson plays in the SEC where a lack of talent around him on offense ( I would tell you the two best players on offense for Florida are transfers that Billy Napier brought with him ) which goes to show how poorly Dan Mullen recruited in recent years. 

But its those games against Utah and Tennesee for Richardson that show what he is capable of and you wonder if you drafted him if you could give him one or two pass catchers to help him out, what that would look like in the pros. 

Allen in the pros had bust written all over him. Elite defense around him, great offensive line and he completed 50% of his passes. Then the next year Buffalo surrounding him with help. He looked better. Then the third year they traded for a true #1 WR in Diggs and he took off. 

That is the blueprint you are hoping to follow for Richardson. He isn't ready to start day 1. Neither was Allen. 

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, Varking said:

Yeah Allen in college was nothing to write home about other than HE THROWS HARD AS HELL!!! He had 56% completions through three years of college. But he had the tools you felt you could mold as a pro QB. 6'5 233 with a rocket for an arm and good wheels for his size. The difference between Richardson in college and Allen in college is that Allen played nobody so his competition level was always low. Richardson plays in the SEC where a lack of talent around him on offense ( I would tell you the two best players on offense for Florida are transfers that Billy Napier brought with him ) which goes to show how poorly Dan Mullen recruited in recent years. 

But its those games against Utah and Tennesee for Richardson that show what he is capable of and you wonder if you drafted him if you could give him one or two pass catchers to help him out, what that would look like in the pros. 

Allen in the pros had bust written all over him. Elite defense around him, great offensive line and he completed 50% of his passes. Then the next year Buffalo surrounding him with help. He looked better. Then the third year they traded for a true #1 WR in Diggs and he took off. 

That is the blueprint you are hoping to follow for Richardson. He isn't ready to start day 1. Neither was Allen. 

But Allen did start and he progressed.  I dont know the answer in developing qbs because I think if they can play they can play and let them figure it out a la allen.  But with guys like Fields they clearly needed a year on the bench.  This is why I want an offensive mastermind as coach to figure it out.  No offense to Wilks but he just seems to old school to know whats what in regards to qbs

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Also if Willis looks good today Richardson could move up a little. Willis was considered very raw as a passer and needed a year or two to develop. If he is already looking decent halfway into his rookie year that could signal to teams these players can be developed quicker that we initially thought. 

If Willis can get drafted out of liberty you can bet your ass AR will get drafted high as well, bigger faster stronger then willis in a much better conference.  I just wish he had a couple more utah type games

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

But Allen did start and he progressed.  I dont know the answer in developing qbs because I think if they can play they can play and let them figure it out a la allen.  But with guys like Fields they clearly needed a year on the bench.  This is why I want an offensive mastermind as coach to figure it out.  No offense to Wilks but he just seems to old school to know whats what in regards to qbs

The Fields comparison is difficult. Chicago mismanaged the whole situation with him. I believe you start the guys you draft in round 1. Fields should have been starting last year right out of the jump. Let him take his lumps. However, Nagy never gave Fields reps with the 1ns during camp and preseason. Only the backups. It never crossed his mind to let him get acclimated to that speed. Then once Dalton got hurt he had to throw him out there. And Chicago was a dire situation. 

The new staff came in and wanted to see if Fields showed them what they needed to feel comfortable with him going forward before investing around him. That is why Mooney, who is a terrific #2, is playing the #1 WR spot. And there are no other significant pass catchers on the team. Chicago wanted to see progress first. All reports coming from Chicago are they are now sold on him and treating this like his rookie year. They have all their draft picks for next year and they have over 100 million in cap space. I expect them to draft a WR and look to sign another pass catcher or TE and invest heavily into offensive and defensive line during free agency.

Fields should have a bump up in production next year and then take off the year after that if it all works out. 

Buffalo surrounded Allen with talent as soon as they could. They didn't wait to see if he would progress. Each year they added pieces. Chicago did not do that and I don't blame them. Because if Fields wasn't the leader he is, they would be looking to use this pick on a QB.

[Varking]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If Willis can get drafted out of liberty you can bet your ass AR will get drafted high as well, bigger faster stronger then willis in a much better conference.  I just wish he had a couple more utah type games

These last four weeks will say a lot for Richardson. Our best players around him are an offensive lineman that followed Billy Napier, a running back that followed Billy Napier and our most consistent WR is a castoff from Arizona State and had 500 receiving yards last year. Mullen did a piss poor job of recruitng. 2 of Floridas 2023 top 5 recruits are 4 star WRs. Help is on the way but it may take a couple years. We really need to land Lagway and the program will be in the right direction. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Varking