I was on the tank bandwagon, but after looking more further, I say we just roll with Corral and draft BPA.

[TheCasillas]

12 minutes ago, Growl said:

who cares

you don’t conduct drafts based on “BPA”

that’s generic Internet forum talk for people who gobble down NFLisms and think that by repeating them outward they project themselves as intellectuals

”BPA” is the assignment of value relative to need

it always is, for every team. An undersized Defensive end isnt jumpstarting the panthers offense and making them super bowl contenders 

the team has seen first hand how hard it is to get a top 3 pick. If they end up with one, they’re going to take a QB. 
 

join us back in reality land.

Actually, the top five picks are usually based on the BPA. There have been studies done that show you are more successful drafting the BPA in the first round (not any other round) than drafting for need. Most GMs in the league lean into this model, and during march/april you hear it often in their interviews. 

 

In our case, QB and DE will be a need. If we end up in the top 3, I think DE over QB could be the mentality, but it depends on the coach and gm we have come draft time. 

[hepcat]

7 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

There was no Andrew Luck or Cam Newton in the classes that Allen, Mahomes and Jackson were drafted either, yet those guys run the league. You have to shoot your shot.

Facts. It’s evident the Panthers shot NO shots at QBs in the NFL draft under Matt Rhule until this year, despite the desperate need for a franchise QB. They should have drafted Fields or Jones in 2021, taken a shot in Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round in 2020, just anything to have a rookie QB in the mix. Rhule’s tenure was a textbook example of how NOT to build an NFL team. It starts with the QB, and you go from there. You keep taking shots at QBs until you get one IN THE DRAFT. Arizona isn’t a great franchise but they drafted a QB in the first round two consecutive years and they’ve had better records than us. 

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

Facts. It’s evident the Panthers shot NO shots at QBs in the NFL draft under Matt Rhule until this year, despite the desperate need for a franchise QB. They should have drafted Fields or Jones in 2021, taken a shot in Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round in 2020, just anything to have a rookie QB in the mix. Rhule’s tenure was a textbook example of how NOT to build an NFL team. It starts with the QB, and you go from there. You keep taking shots at QBs until you get one IN THE DRAFT. Arizona isn’t a great franchise but they drafted a QB in the first round two consecutive years and they’ve had better records than us. 

I agree with Hurts but not the rest. If you go back to 2020 on the huddle you will see I was screaming and posting Hurts was our guy. It just didnt work out that way though. 

[Growl]

4 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Actually, the top five picks are usually based on the BPA. There have been studies done that show you are more successful drafting the BPA in the first round (not any other round) than drafting for need. Most GMs in the league lean into this model, and during march/april you hear it often in their interviews. 

 

In our case, QB and DE will be a need. If we end up in the top 3, I think DE over QB could be the mentality, but it depends on the coach and gm we have come draft time. 

I get that you believe that what these GMs say in public interviews is a deep dive 30 for 30 commentary on the elaborate formula for drafting collegiate prospects but I’m going to ruin the illusion for you 

they just say that because it’s socially acceptable and has no specific point of criticism

when draft day rolls around, teams still target players at the positions of most positional value relative to their needs

sorry to ruin the experience for you 

Edited October 14, 2022 by Growl

[CarolinaLivin]

4 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I think it's funny that their stats are near identical minus the amount of actually air yards. 

I wouldn’t say “near identical” his stats are clearly better but im also not talking about stats alone. Just didn’t wanna over post by adding all sorts of stuff. But watching them both play as well, Stroud is better.
*warning*These are the opinions of a drunk fan. 

[Jaxel]

4 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I agree with Hurts but not the rest. If you go back to 2020 on the huddle you will see I was screaming and posting Hurts was our guy. It just didnt work out that way though. 

I was hoping we would jump up for Herbert in that draft..m so close yet so far away.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Growl said:

lol there was no cam Newton in cam Newton’s class

 

 

He had significant question marks for sure... just like all of the best young QBs currently in the NFL.

[Jaxel]

1 minute ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I wouldn’t say “near identical” his stats are clearly better but im also not talking about stats alone. Just didn’t wanna over post by adding all sorts of stuff. But watching them both play as well, Stroud is better.
*warning*These are the opinions of a drunk fan. 

I think Stroud is a better pocket QB than fields and does a great job with touch. Just a comment. I wonder what it would look like if you add Haskins stats too. I think it's why Ohio State QBs are so hard to evaluate.

 

With that said I like Stroud a lot, but i have said a million times I think the most successful QBs come from mid level colleges cause everything is harder for them. So I'm big on Ward, Levis and Hooker (minus his age, but Burrow was old too so....)

[Growl]

27 minutes ago, Growl said:

who cares

you don’t conduct drafts based on “BPA”

that’s generic Internet forum talk for people who gobble down NFLisms and think that by repeating them outward they project themselves as intellectuals

”BPA” is the assignment of value relative to need

it always is, for every team. An undersized Defensive end isnt jumpstarting the panthers offense and making them super bowl contenders 

the team has seen first hand how hard it is to get a top 3 pick. If they end up with one, they’re going to take a QB. 
 

join us back in reality land.

to add to this, “value” isn’t even exclusively relegated to ability but to positional value,  and cost/investment, both in terms of draft capital and financial tenability in regards to the player/position in question and the means of replacing it through additional means

for example, interior linemen aren’t drafted high because A) their impact on a game is comparatively minimal B) you can buy elite interior line play in free agency for a pittance, and it is relatively reliable to do so. why would you spend a high pick on that position when you can use it on a position that can be less reliably acquired and costs more to acquire through trades/FA?

this is what constitutes BPA, nothing I’m saying is particularly insightful or bold, and yet this board specifically seems to have this massive demographic of posters we have to humor every off-season (wait it’s not the off-season) who believe that the draft is a matter of nothing more than “wow this guy is so good/safe, nothing else matters, take him” because ole gettleboy said that’s how it works and if you get into all that high falutin thinkin stuff you’re gonna miss out on a chance to draft a Really Good Player

Edited October 14, 2022 by Growl

[Growl]

Quinton Nelson is one of the dumbest draft picks made in the last 10 years

[mrcompletely11]

22 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

I’m never on team tank.

Do people think this makes them a super fan or something?

[hepcat]

10 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I agree with Hurts but not the rest. If you go back to 2020 on the huddle you will see I was screaming and posting Hurts was our guy. It just didnt work out that way though. 

Hurts dropped because of his size but honestly I think he's playing over his ceiling right now. I expect the Eagles to come back down to earth eventually. They have a STUPID easy schedule this year. They remind me of the 2015 Panthers feasting on bad teams. At least the Panthers played some decent teams that year. Go look at the Eagles schedule, it's a joke. 

And RE: Fields. It's unfortunate what's happening to him in Chicago but I can't say he had any sort of proper development plan by his team. He would probably have the most success under Mike Shula and Ken Dorsey in Buffalo. If Dorsey gets a head coaching gig I bet he takes Shula as his OC, and a QB like Fields could have success in a true read-option offense. 

[Camp Fodder]

We will just have to wait and see what direction our new GM, head coach and OC wants to do 

[PanthersGOATFan336]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I have a wild suggestion for you @panthersgreenville. Not ever thought that runs through your head needs its own thread.

@jackson113