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How could we not give Fitt another chance?!?

DMathematics

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SmokinwithWilly Grand Master

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7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It was just stated we have had the same coach over 3 years and look worse that ever.  Rhule would be the constant and Fitt would be building the roster to make it better right?  It's a good point by @R0CKnR0LLA.

So Fitt was doing the FAs when we signed Elf and Erving, then Morgan comes in and we sign Bozeman, and Corbett?  If that is true then Morgan seems better off of that.  So who is responsible for us having no draft capital?

 

It's hard to know who was in charge of what because Rhule was a micromananger with his hands in everything. There were rumors that some of Rhules power was taken away during the off-season and we appear to have made some better choices. There was no direction in the HC office and that's clearly evident by the way the roster was handled. Hell, Dunlap wanted to come here but Fitts couldn't promise him a starting role because of Rhule's stupid camp competitions. Rhule loved reclamation projects. Notice how many of the trades involved reclamation projects Rhule thought he could fix. You could tell Fitts was done with Rhule at last year's end of season presser. 

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8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I assume that you “liked” those players based on performance. What are we basing his hiring of Fitt on? 

Rhule and Tepper's GM hire process had a very "thesis - antithesis - synthesis" feeling to it. They each suggested their own candidates than debated between them, in the process knocking out guys who had connections to Rhule (Ireland, Peters, Stewart) and pretty much throwing everybody that Tepper suggested out the window.

Fitterer didn't actually enter the process until later at a time when Rhule and Tepper were looking to expand the list of candidates. He was certainly qualified (he'd had three or four GM interviews prior to that and was well respected around the league) and finally became someone they could agree on.

Not really a fan of either at the guys who picked him but I think this is one of those cases where they might have stumbled on the right answer.

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7 minutes ago, Waldo said:

All true but all those guys ran really good offenses. Levy came up with the no-huddle? Crazy for a guy who played DB. All that sounds like the exceptionals and the standards. 

I just can't see Quinn as more than a DC, Dallas would be smart to keep him but then again DCs are a lot easier to find now than a good OC. Trends change. I wonder how McD will do when he loses another OC? Ron had trouble losing DCs in back to back years. (not trying to knock McD but it is a huge challenge and they looked a lot better under their last OC superstar)

Said in the other thread that I think the best hope for Quinn to get a great OC might be if he reaches for someone to whom he doesn't have a prior connection.

The question is how likely that would be to happen.

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2 minutes ago, R0CKnR0LLA said:

No it's completely necessary

Don't try to tone police me

Acting like a fool and calling names at people you are debating never makes you look good.  It looks like you have lost the damn debate.  Now put on your big boy pants and act like an adult.

How is that for tone policing you?  There are plenty of points to be made (and you made some good ones).  

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule and Tepper's GM hire process had a very "thesis - antithesis - synthesis" feeling to it. They each suggested their own candidates than debated between them, in the process knocking out guys who had connections to Rhule (Ireland, Peters, Stewart) and pretty much throwing everybody that Tepper suggested out the window.

Fitterer didn't actually enter the process until later at a time when Rhule and Tepper were looking to expand the list of candidates. He was certainly qualified (he'd had three or four GM interviews prior to that and was well respected around the league) and finally became someone they could agree on.

Not really a fan of either at the guys who picked him but I think this is one of those cases where they might have stumbled on the right answer.

Blame it on anyone who makes you feel better. But it’s fact that you have blasted and blamed Rhule and Tepper for everything. But Fitterer just happens to be OK because….reasons? 
 

    If he was so well thought of, why did he take a job where he’s judged by someone else’s decisions. He signed the contract. He knew the deal. He might as well have been unemployed. Or he is part of a 6-16 team building that is already over next years cap. So it’s either inexperienced, or incompetent. Neither is a quality anyone looks for in reshaping an entire organization.

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1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Blame it on anyone who makes you feel better. But it’s fact that you have blasted and blamed Rhule and Tepper for everything. But Fitterer just happens to be OK because….reasons? 
 

    If he was so well thought of, why did he take a job where he’s judged by someone else’s decisions. He signed the contract. He knew the deal. He might as well have been unemployed. Or he is part of a 6-16 team building that is already over next years cap. So it’s either inexperienced, or incompetent. Neither is a quality anyone looks for in reshaping an entire organization.

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1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Blame it on anyone who makes you feel better. But it’s fact that you have blasted and blamed Rhule and Tepper for everything. But Fitterer just happens to be OK because….reasons? 
 

    If he was so well thought of, why did he take a job where he’s judged by someone else’s decisions. He signed the contract. He knew the deal. He might as well have been unemployed. Or he is part of a 6-16 team building that is already over next years cap. So it’s either inexperienced, or incompetent. Neither is a quality anyone looks for in reshaping an entire organization.

Because I have the ability to separate coaching from personnel.

If you can't, well...

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