How could we not give Fitt another chance?!?

[Shotgun]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule got a fair shot, especially given he had full control.

If you can find someone suggesting otherwise, link em.

[trueblade]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Take a look at our OC candidates (including the one we ultimately hired) if you think quality people are busting down the doors to join this organization.

We had a coach on the hot seat. A coach with a definite lack of NFL connections. That's not a great situation to come to. 

 

[Waldo]

We should just keep Wilks as HC next year regardless because it's not fair he gets only part of the coaching duties and not a full shake.

We should keep RA because it's not fair he doesn't get to prove he was more than another of Rhule's free pass.

We should just keep McAdoo because it is not fair he had to run Rhule's offense.

The NFL will never want to work here because were are unfair to let go underperforming employees like every other team.

Horsezhit. Do any of those moves with some basic skills and care and it is just another day in the NFL. Did McDanials refuse the Miami job after Flores? Did Ron take the Commies job after well everything Snyder does? Did Lovie Smith take the job from that racist owner in Houston? Hell did all these people take a job here after talking to Rhule?

 

[ForJimmy]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's way too "all or nothing" an approach.

As far as Morgan and Fitterer, look at their history. Just saying "friends" doesn't really cover it.

But lemme just ask you personally, would you screw over a close friend of both you and your family (one who also helped you get where you are) for a job? If it was someone they loved, how would your family feel about it?

Throw in also though that Morgan has already seen what it's like working for Tepper. All the bullsh-t and dysfunction were reading about, he's seen that and more up close and personal.

Knowing how people around the league view Tepper through a negative lens, what makes you certain Morgan wants more of that at a close family friend's expense?

This seems overblown. If Tepper is viewed so poorly by the league, why is Fitt still working for him? It’s because he wants to be a GM like many of these professionals do. 
Its not screwing over someone to let someone go for poor job performance. Fitt had some responsibilities and has to take some blame for the state of the franchise. Plenty of coaches/ assistants around the league are friends but that doesn’t mean they refuse jobs over one getting fired. I’ve never heard of a coach or GM turn down a job because their friend was fired by the owner in the NFL.  It’s a business and I can’t imagine one of them turning down an opportunity because their friend was fired for job performance.

[Mr. Scot]

33 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

This seems overblown. If Tepper is viewed so poorly by the league, why is Fitt still working for him? It’s because he wants to be a GM like many of these professionals do. 
Its not screwing over someone to let someone go for poor job performance. Fitt had some responsibilities and has to take some blame for the state of the franchise. Plenty of coaches/ assistants around the league are friends but that doesn’t mean they refuse jobs over one getting fired. I’ve never heard of a coach or GM turn down a job because their friend was fired by the owner in the NFL.  It’s a business and I can’t imagine one of them turning down an opportunity because their friend was fired for job performance.

Now you're dead certain his job performance is poor? How did you get there?

And yes, Tepper is viewed poorly. Hence the "that job for that boss" comments.

[Mr. Scot]

41 minutes ago, Waldo said:

We should just keep Wilks as HC next year regardless because it's not fair he gets only part of the coaching duties and not a full shake.

We should keep RA because it's not fair he doesn't get to prove he was more than another of Rhule's free pass.

We should just keep McAdoo because it is not fair he had to run Rhule's offense.

The NFL will never want to work here because were are unfair to let go underperforming employees like every other team.

Horsezhit. Do any of those moves with some basic skills and care and it is just another day in the NFL. Did McDanials refuse the Miami job after Flores? Did Ron take the Commies job after well everything Snyder does? Did Lovie Smith take the job from that racist owner in Houston? Hell did all these people take a job here after talking to Rhule?

This kind of post is when you know you don't have anything substantive left to argue with.

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Now you're dead certain his job performance is poor? How did you get there?

And yes, Tepper is viewed poorly. Hence the "that job for that boss" comments.

Well he has been the GM of a failing franchise. You call that good performance? We may give him another chance with a new coach, but what has he done so far that has impressed you?

So you are taking one comment and using it as a league wide view? How did you get there and why would Fitt be ok with working under such a bad person??

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

This kind of post is when you know you don't have anything substantive left to argue with.

And yet that post is correct and you are being salty. There was no argument to be had because you obviously have none left on this topic except petty bickering and I don't dislike you enough to want to cross that line.

Disprove it or let this die.

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Well he has been the GM of a failing franchise. You call that good performance? We may give him another chance with a new coach, but what has he done so far that has impressed you?

So you are taking one comment and using it as a league wide view? How did you get there and why would Fitt be ok with working under such a bad person??

Because he has the job. That's not difficult.

Wi the regard to the comment, it was specifically describing how Tepper is viewed around the league, so ..yeah.

As far as what I've seen, the offensive line would be the first thing (and in one offseason, no less). And again, Tepper himself said the roster has improved over the past few years.

Do you think he's crediting the guy he just fired with that?

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, Waldo said:

And yet that post is correct and you are being salty. There was no argument to be had because you obviously have none left on this topic except petty bickering and I don't dislike you enough to want to cross that line.

Disprove it or let this die.

Well for one, your comparisons aren't to similar situations.

Interim coaches, for example, are always in bad situations. They're part of losing teams, saddled with staffs they didn't pick, and in Wilks' case with one he may not even like.

They rarely get the job, even when they arguably should (Rich Bisaccia, for example).

Fitterer isn't an interim, but he's also not in a spot where he can do a whole lot. Roster building is mostly an offseason exercise. Outside of maintenance and maybe a trade or two, his work for the year would mostly be done.

And no, a fire sale isn't a good idea. Especially not if they do want to genuinely give Steve Wilks a chance.

(and they should)

Edited October 12, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[Peon Awesome]

Here's the reason I'm not going to give Fitterer too much crap for the loss of draft picks. He was trying to find a franchise QB. Teams give up way way more and usually still miss. He aggressively tried to do that and still left us with all of our top picks. Let's look at just the last year or 2.

1. San Francisco - 3 1st round picks to draft a project that could easily bust who at this point has been handily outplayed by Garrapolo (too early I know)

2. Denver - bunch of picks including 2 1sts and $250 million for a guy who looks worse than Teddy Bridgewater this year

3. Cleveland - 3 1sts and $250 million for a serial sexual deviant who hasn't played in 2 years and won't see the field till at least week 12. 

4. Chicago - 2 1sts including what ended up being the 7th pick for a guy who competes with Baker for last in every objective QB metric.

5. Washington - what will probably be two 2nd round picks for a guy Rivera just threw under the bus.

6. Indianapolis - gave a 1st and 3rd for the same guy they jettisoned to Washington after 1 year, plus another 3rd for the corpse of Matt Ryan.

You can even second guess other commitments like the $40+ million annually for Call of Duty Kyler, or even Dak Prescott when the Cowboys haven't skipped a beat with Cooper Rush. Heralded college QBs taken at the top of the draft like Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson have been disappointing thus far. 

So Fitterer at least making an effort is understandable and forgivable when you appreciate that he didn't mortgage our future by giving away premium picks and exorbitant cap space. Of course you hope for better results but with a dumpster fire of a coaching staff we didn't really create an environment where anyone could succeed anyway.

[Waldo]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Well for one, your comparisons aren't to similar situations.

Interim coaches, for example, are always in bad situations. They're part of losing teams,  saddled with staffs they didn't pick, and in Wilks' case with one he may not even like.

They rarely get the job, even when they arguably should (Rich Bisaccia, for example).

Fitterer isn't an interim, but he's also not in a spot where he can't do a whole lot more. Roster building is mostly an offseason exercise. Outside of maintenance and maybe a trade or two, his work for the year would mostly be done.

And no, a fire sale isn't a good idea. Especially not if they do want to genuinely give Steve Wilks a chance.

(and they should)

So how did Miami hire McDanials if Ross is such a bad owner? Money talks and those guys want a shot at a promotion. 

All of the first part of that post were comical exaples of BS reasons that are just as good as keeping a GM in title only who was hired to do what Rhule wanted. What is the difference between that and Wilks, they are both doing a job now that they were not hired for. Hell Wilks is a better example becaude he has only been here this season. 

I have stated I don't think the fire sale happens now but in a few weeks before the deadline. It's a bad look to hand the team over to Wilks and then undercut him. After a loss or 2 all that goes out the window.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

7 hours ago, trueblade said:

With Fitterer in control now, and given his excellent pedigree in college scouting, I would think a choice of one of the top 200 players coming out of college would be something we'd like to have. 

Yeah, these Fitt apologists are practicing some real mental gymnastics 

[Peon Awesome]

To clarify, I'm not attached to Fitterer. I'd hardly be devastated if they moved on from him. No one deserves much good will on this team. I just appreciate he didn't completely cripple our chances for a quick rebuild. Not exactly high praise but I'm willing to give him a longer leash if need be