LaCanfora - Rhule fired - Now what ?

[L-TownCat]

Just now, ENC Pantherfan said:

In order to get the 1st option you need to give up picks, and for comparison the Bucs had to come off 2 1st round picks + other picks for Gruden. You want to do that for Payton?

I don’t want either.

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I truly hope there are better candidates available than Dan Quinn.  There has to be.

AKA Ron Rivera 2.0

[hepcat]

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You guys need to listen to this Ellis on the roar

 

They breakdown who may be traded, Sean Payton, and Scott fitterer in regards to a new coach. 

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-roar-a-carolina-panthers-podcast/id1523253913

 

Incredible content

 

I am not totally anti Quinn because I think his floor is a competent franchise (something that i think Tepper probably wants).  However if that is fitt #1 target then that is concerning. 

Quinn will at least drag this franchise into the realm of competence. Rhule completely drove this franchise to the depths of hell. Guy was in over his head from Day 1

[TLGPanthersFan]

14 minutes ago, ENC Pantherfan said:

I know the forum in general wouldn't like it but I do. Defense shouldn't miss a beat. Maybe he can get someone of the Cowboys staff as an OC, love how adaptable their offense is. 

Despite the Falcons defense being one of the worst units in the league while he was a HC?

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

If we end up with Dan Quinn after all of this then we are so f*cked

I mean baseline he is better then rhule but yeah I would be pretty dumbfounded if Fitt makes a beeline to quinn as soon as the season is over.  Doesnt make sense

[hepcat]

Just now, TLGPanthersFan said:

Despite the Falcons defense being one of the worst units in the league while he was a HC?

They had some good years before the end of his tenure but I agree I’m not loving the Dan Quinn pick. He’s an improvement over Rhule but that’s not saying a lot. I’d like a young first time NFL head coach with plenty of NFL coaching experience who is actually ready to make the jump. Demeco Ryans is at the top of my list. Working under Kyle Shanahan is about as good as it gets coaching tree wise. He learned from one of the best head coaching machines ever Mike Shanahan.

[JawnyBlaze]

Sean Payton without having to give the Saints compensation?  Hell yea.  Hard pass on giving up assets for him though. Dan Quinn is a pass too, but if that’s how it works out I’ll just have to be cautiously optimistic at first.  

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, ENC Pantherfan said:

In order to get the 1st option you need to give up picks, and for comparison the Bucs had to come off 2 1st round picks + other picks for Gruden. You want to do that for Payton?

with one of those a top 5 pick

[ENC Pantherfan]

1 minute ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Despite the Falcons defense being one of the worst units in the league while he was a HC?

I was talking more about his defensive job with the Cowboys, which has been great, however you do make a good point about Atlanta's defense. 

[TheCasillas]

Those knocking Quinn seems bizarrre… the guy has been successful everywhere he has gone. Look what we has done for that cowboys defense.

don’t forget that Kyle shanahan was the OC that couldn’t get the falcons any points in the second half against the patriots. Kyle made some supremely questionable decisions in that game that took the falcons out of winning that game. Including stopped running the ball in true second half. Also, Matt Ryan taking that bone headed sack to get them out of field goal range.
 

the falcons ran the ball 48% of the time in the first half, and when they had their commanding lead…. They ran it only 33% of the time in the second half. It was a young OC making dumb young decisions, and as some falcons fan say…. “He got cocky.”

 

the downfall of Quinn was much related to Dmitrioff’s cap killing decisions. He devoted so much money to Ryan, Julio and their running backs … that the falcons weren’t afforded an opportunity to reset the roster with talent due to cap. This ultimately led to his departure with Quinn.

[WUnderhill]

I haven’t been on the fire Fitterer bandwagon and am generally open to the idea of him getting to hire a head coach…but if he wants to hire Dan Quinn get him the fug outta here.

I get you were together in Seattle, but come on man.

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

They had some good years before the end of his tenure but I agree I’m not loving the Dan Quinn pick. He’s an improvement over Rhule but that’s not saying a lot. I’d like a young first time NFL head coach with plenty of NFL coaching experience who is actually ready to make the jump. Demeco Ryans is at the top of my list. Working under Kyle Shanahan is about as good as it gets coaching tree wise. He learned from one of the best head coaching machines ever Mike Shanahan.

I wouldn’t hate getting Ryans. Falcons defense in the Super Bowl year reminded me of the Saints in 2009. Who were ranked 25th defense overall but number 1 in takeaways. 
But after the Suoer Bowl the Falcons defense just kept getting worse and worse. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

Those knocking Quinn seems bizarrre… the guy has been successful everywhere he has gone. Look what we has done for that cowboys defense.

don’t forget that Kyle shanahan was the OC that couldn’t get the falcons any points in the second half against the patriots. Kyle made some supremely questionable decisions in that game that took the falcons out of winning that game. Including stopped running the ball in true second half. Also, Matt Ryan taking that bone headed sack to get them out of field goal range.
 

the falcons ran the ball 48% of the time in the first half, and when they had their commanding lead…. They ran it only 33% of the time in the second half. It was a young OC making dumb young decisions, and as some falcons fan say…. “He got cocky.”

 

the downfall of Quinn was much related to Dmitrioff’s cap killing decisions. He devoted so much money to Ryan, Julio and their running backs … that the falcons weren’t afforded an opportunity to reset the roster with talent due to cap. This ultimately led to his departure with Quinn.

Like I said, he has a nice floor but I just want to aspire a bit higher then quinn.  Who that is I have no clue, not my job, but if quinn is candidate #1 then I find that concerning.  I wouldnt hate the hire but just think we can do better

[TheCasillas]

5 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Despite the Falcons defense being one of the worst units in the league while he was a HC?

They were 5th in the league under Quinn in 2017. He took over a falcons defense that was bottom of the league.