Just a friendly reminder about today's victory...

[Sir Purr]

10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, we probably just cost ourselves draft position. We aren't winning many games with the offense we're fielding right now. We basically need the other team to beat themselves and the Saints did that today.

LOL

Talking about draft position after week 3. 

Huddle gonna huddle. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, Sir Purr said:

LOL

Talking about draft position after week 3. 

Huddle gonna huddle. 

I mean it doesn't exactly take a genius to see why.  This year is very similar to 2010's "lame duck" year under Fox and Pickles.  It's a waste.  If that is not already obvious to you, then give it a couple more weeks.

[45catfan]

I wonder who these 3-4 people are that still defend Rhule here.  Has to be members in the organization or members of Matt's family.

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I mean it doesn't exactly take a genius to see why.  This year is very similar to 2010's "lame duck" year under Fox and Pickles.  It's a waste.  If that is not already obvious to you, then give it a couple more weeks.

Because Baker is clearly the answer.  I mean we WON yesterday!  Whoot!  Watch out Super Bowl here we come!!!!!!!

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, Sir Purr said:

LOL

Talking about draft position after week 3. 

Huddle gonna huddle. 

Yep, already got my preliminary top two picks.  I would have three, but you know, traded away the third pick for CJ (busted coverage) Henderson.

[panthers55]

22 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Same thing I always say to comments like this - objectivity is not the same as negativity.

Who is ever as objective as they think they are. And let's be real most folks staying negative are hardly objective. They have negative opinions and keep them despite what happens. 

[Shotgun]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It is?  Did you just watch the previous 3 weeks?

 

As teams start collecting more and more tape on us its going to get uglier and uglier as the schedule gets harder

And we'll be going up against starting caliber QBs. 

[rmoneyg35]

We didn’t win because we were the better team, we didn’t out coach them. They beat themselves. Winston sucked, playing injured, they made mistakes, our defense gave up a lot, besides a few players playing well they didn’t do that good. Our offense was garbage but now because we won, Rhule going to act like he Bill Belicheat.

[45catfan]

The next 3 of 4 games are at home.  The Panthers better make good on that because after Tampa (last one in that home stand) of the final 10 games, only 4 are at home.  I see 3 maybe 4 wins in that final stretch of 10 games.  If Rhule wants to eclipse his 5 win mark, he's going to need this team to pull off some upsets in this upcoming home stand.

[KSpan]

33 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Who is ever as objective as they think they are. And let's be real most folks staying negative are hardly objective. They have negative opinions and keep them despite what happens. 

At this point, 11-25 and the declining performance the past 2 years absolutely leads to an objectively negative overall outlook. In the barest, most mathematical terms the trend has been negative and the offense still objectively sucks. That's the reality, and a single win over the Saints doesn't change that either subjectively or objectively.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

At this point, 11-25 and the declining performance the past 2 years absolutely leads to an objectively negative overall outlook. In the barest, most mathematical terms the trend has been negative and the offense still objectively sucks. That's the reality, and a single win over the Saints doesn't change that either subjectively or objectively.

No that just points out the past not the future. Much like depression when you look back you see what happened not what is going to happen. It doesn't mean that the future has to be better because it might not but it doesn't have to be bad. And  when you say you are negative about the future that is an emotional response not a factual statement.  You may say your viewpoint is informed by facts but that cuts both ways. I can say that we are two 50 yard plus  field goals away from 3-0. And how many teams have lost 2 games in a row by game winning field goals of over 50 yards in the history of the league. The answer is none.  So we lost our first 2 games with worse luck than any team in the history of the league and we should be all gloom and doom? So while you can find objective facts to inform your opinion on both sides, having a negative attitude is not being objective at this point.

Edited September 26, 2022 by panthers55

[KSpan]

39 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

No that just points out the past not the future. Much like depression when you look back you see what happened not what is going to happen. It doesn't mean that the future has to be better because it might not but it doesn't have to be bad. And  when you say you are negative about the future that is an emotional response not a factual statement.  You may say your viewpoint is informed by facts but that cuts both ways. I can say that we are two 50 yard plus  field goals away from 3-0. And how many teams have lost 2 games in a row by game winning field goals of over 50 yards in the history of the league. The answer is none.  So we lost our first 2 games with worse luck than any team in the history of the league and we should be all gloom and doom? So while you can find objective facts to inform your opinion on both sides, having a negative attitude is not being objective at this point.

And even if this team had achieved a 3-0 record, which we actually saw last year before they finished 5-12, it would still be completely outweighed by the two years prior. It takes time to confidently discern changes in trends and Rhule has 2 years of empirical suckitude to fight against; 3 games scraping by against the bottom of the NFL barrel does little to move the objective or subjective needle in the face of that. I will again say that reviewing the data constitutes neither 'doom and gloom' nor that negativity is an emotional response... that's an absurd premise. For the millionth time, drawing a conclusion from the body of data out there does not constitute an active decision to be negative. The reality is that Rhule and his teams have sucked and this year's iteration appears to have the same weaknesses as those teams; this is based on what's actually being put on the field, not on any 'emotional response.'

Estimation (either positive or negative) of future performance is speculation and the 36 games he's already coached point in a pretty clear direction. The benefit of the doubt is gone, so unless/until he (or any other coach/player in a similar situation) gets a substantial body of work rivaling the performance showing a different trend, there's nothing to suggest the future will be any different and expectations can be set accordingly. It really is that simple.

Edited September 26, 2022 by KSpan

[mrcompletely11]

48 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So while you can find objective facts to inform your opinion on both sides, having a negative attitude is not being objective at this point.

lol

[Jon Snow]

4 hours ago, hepcat said:

When was the last time they beat the Panthers? 2013??

They have a better shot a beating us this year but as you know you can't predict these things.  Early season games are hard to predict. Until every team hits their so called strid (whether good or bad) it's still early. 

But with the way our offense is playing it's hard for me to imagine them playing much better than what we saw yesterday.  The defense is going to have to carry this team that's all there is to it.