Baker through 2 games

[Jon Snow]

46 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Since Rhule came here, he's had four first round draft pick QBs (two of them #1 draft picks, and another in the top 5) and two Heisman trophy winners at the position. All of them had multiple years of experience, three of them with playoff experience and one was a Super Bowl starting QB.

None of them could be effectively utilitzed, or even retrained/rehabbed as needed. 

Individually, outsiders have been pointing fingers at them and their performances. Internally, we know, without a doubt, that the blame is on the coaching staff, both for readiness and in game work.

You can go beyond the QB position and see the same song played on different instruments time and again across the entirety of all positional groups.

This tree is rotten at the roots. We need to salvage what fruit is still good on it and plow the rest of it under.

One would think the players would get tired of getting their ass kicked and start playing yard ball since the coaches don't have a clue. 

At some point you can't blame the coaches for getting your manhood challenged. It's time to nut up.

[Waldo]

8 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Yanno, considering the coaching, I'd probably be crying over the helpless feeling the situation gave him. Honestly, the dude was brave walking back in for OTAs this year knowing there was a chance that he was going to get thrown to the wolves again.

Skills or not, Sam found himself under the tutelage of an even worse coach than he had before. One who likely was going to get him killed out there.

I hate it for the guy but he can't see the field or do much outside of a broken play that looks good once in a while. He turns the ball over too much to be a backup and is now locked on to the dump off like Teddy was but with an actual functioning arm. Just put PJ out there, that guy still thinks he would be on another team once Rhule is fired so it's not like kicking a wounded animal. 

Pay me 19 million and I am showing up ready to be a rodeo clown for a season with a smile. He handled it all very well but I can't say someone with a guaranteed paycheck of that size is being brave vs practical with a great attitude about it all. Everyone with 1/4 of a brain knew Rhule couldn't ride into this year with any of those rookies or Sam again. Once they traded for Baker it should have been a blessing for him, competitor or not in this situation. 

I honestly feel for all the players. It is not going to get easier soon and I know not all of them are going to turn it around after the clean up but I do think many can with good coaching. I want to see that crowd chanting 'Fire Rhule' but it can't be fun for a players trying to hold together their careers. 

[ForJimmy]

21 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Accuracy matters. Last two seasons Matt Corral was at 72% and 69% completions respectively.

(Not you MA)Don't give me the college vs NFL crap because that the one singular metric that says a QB is putting it into the hands of running men. 

So as a struggling coach with a fan base looking for hope, why would you put a 60% completion JAG of a QB in front of someone more mobile, more skilled, taller, faster, more accurate and more familiar with your playbook.

(Not you MA)And don't give me the "he's on IR stop talking about him" weak sauce either. Had that man been behind the second or first team line the chances of that particular injury decrease exponentially. 

While I believe that to be true Sam Darnold is also injured so that may speak to the talent/coaching of the offensive line unit as a whole.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/matt-corral-player-stats?category=passing&seasonType=pre

In his limited action before IR Corral was 41.67% accurate in the NFL.  He was behind a 3rd string OL playing against a 3rd string defense.  If he wasn't hurt I wouldn't be against getting his feet wet at the end of the season and seeing if he can get better.

[AlphabetsEnd]

5 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

Baker was this bad before we traded for him, he was just in a much better position.

A ton of us tried to tell you guys this, but it was all "no Baker has that fire he has got "it" "

Baker was trash in Cleveland with a playoff caliber roster, I dont know why some of you thought Baker + MCadoo/Wilkes was going to save us from the Rhule/Snow clown show. 

This is just patently false. They were 0-16 when Mayfield got there. Their only visit to the playoffs was Mayfield's best year. They couldn't make the playoffs with him injured. 

The Browns were a bad team when he got there, and Carolina is a team bad team with Mayfield arriving here. He's had not even a full off-season to try and overcome the worst coach in the NFL and a reject OC. 

[AlphabetsEnd]

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

One would think the players would get tired of getting their ass kicked and start playing yard ball since the coaches don't have a clue. 

At some point you can't blame the coaches for getting your manhood challenged. It's time to nut up.

This has been my hope. Let Mayfield work outside of structure and just drop deep balls to DJ and Robbie, or dump balls off to CMC and let him juke his way to glory. 

[trueblade]

48 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Accuracy matters. Last two seasons Matt Corral was at 72% and 69% completions respectively.

(Not you MA)Don't give me the college vs NFL crap because that the one singular metric that says a QB is putting it into the hands of running men. 

So as a struggling coach with a fan base looking for hope, why would you put a 60% completion JAG of a QB in front of someone more mobile, more skilled, taller, faster, more accurate and more familiar with your playbook.

(Not you MA)And don't give me the "he's on IR stop talking about him" weak sauce either. Had that man been behind the second or first team line the chances of that particular injury decrease exponentially. 

While I believe that to be true Sam Darnold is also injured so that may speak to the talent/coaching of the offensive line unit as a whole.

When we traded for Baker, I said that we were going to scuttle Corral's development because there just wouldn't be enough reps in training camp. I was assured that there would be plenty of reps and the "qb competition" talk was just that, talk.

Well, my friends, it wasn't. The QB competition happened. The one day I was at training camp, PJ, Sam and Baker were working with the receivers, and Corral was on the far field, practicing handoffs from under center.

I was also told that we needed to trade for Baker (and scuttle Corral's development) because people wanted "watchable football" this fall. How "watchable" have the first two weeks been?

Now, no question about it, Corral looked lost in the preseason. Would he have looked as lost if getting him ready to back up Darnold had been the priority of the offseason. We'll never know. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. But I would have liked to have seen it.

[rippadonn]

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/matt-corral-player-stats?category=passing&seasonType=pre

In his limited action before IR Corral was 41.67% accurate in the NFL.  He was behind a 3rd string OL playing against a 3rd string defense.  If he wasn't hurt I wouldn't be against getting his feet wet at the end of the season and seeing if he can get better.

You are...making my point for me!? I agree, the line does matter. Yes, equally talented a defense usually wins.

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, rippadonn said:

You are...making my point for me!? I agree, the line does matter. Yes, equally talented a defense usually wins.

So he would struggle behind our starting OL against another starting defense with equal or greater talent? Good to know…

[ForJimmy]

11 minutes ago, jackson113 said:

[Pejorative Miscreant]

While they both have faults and limitations, I am no longer completely blaming Sam or Baker for their performance.  We took under-performing QBs from dysfunctional teams and placed them on an equally if not more dysfunctional team. 

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

While they both have faults and limitations, I am no longer completely blaming Sam or Baker for their performance.  We took under-performing QBs from dysfunctional teams and placed them on an equally if not more dysfunctional team. 

[rippadonn]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

So he would struggle behind our starting OL against another starting defense with equal or greater talent? Good to know…

That's why your offensive line has to be stout and hopefully have chemistry together because of time spent. When everyone is just figuring things out because the coach hasn't yet, you get silly non competitions where has beens are put on pedestals and the future left to tend to themselves. 

 

[rippadonn]

8 hours ago, trueblade said:

When we traded for Baker, I said that we were going to scuttle Corral's development because there just wouldn't be enough reps in training camp. I was assured that there would be plenty of reps and the "qb competition" talk was just that, talk.

Well, my friends, it wasn't. The QB competition happened. The one day I was at training camp, PJ, Sam and Baker were working with the receivers, and Corral was on the far field, practicing handoffs from under center.

I was also told that we needed to trade for Baker (and scuttle Corral's development) because people wanted "watchable football" this fall. How "watchable" have the first two weeks been?

Now, no question about it, Corral looked lost in the preseason. Would he have looked as lost if getting him ready to back up Darnold had been the priority of the offseason. We'll never know. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. But I would have liked to have seen it.

Because part of the fanbase wanted to see him play, maybe even more than half, in spite of that, the man was put at the end of the bench and given the least reps possible so he WOULD look horrible compared to his peers who got the lions share of the work with receivers etc.

Anybody with an objective opinion would see the guy wasn't included in any competition. Didn't happen. He was then thrown to the wolves with the least prep and the least rep but we've got all these people coming out their pieholes w/he sucked he didn't look comfortable he sucks+ meaningless garbage time with third stringer stats.

 

 

[Jackie Lee]

9 hours ago, AlphabetsEnd said:

This has been my hope. Let Mayfield work outside of structure and just drop deep balls to DJ and Robbie, or dump balls off to CMC and let him juke his way to glory. 

Mcadoo is trying too hard. Start with these things and then try for one of the plays he's trying to force feed. CMC/Baker Play action should be automatic for an OC