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Rhule (the college coach)

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rayzor Grand Master

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3 hours ago, jackson113 said:

Hot name at the time. 

Joe Brady trending name..

Matt Rhule trending name..

Tepper is a fan, foremost instead of a owner. Remember when Eric Reid was a trending name and Tepper snagged him up? Sometimes you got to do your due diligence. Tepper didn't. Now we are paying the price.

marty hurney did the same thing. he was always more interested in the story than the skill (that's what you get when you hire a sportswriter to be your GM). hurney may have influenced tepper a bit too much.

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Who he is and what he does works great for college.  All he does is "sell" people on a brand, program, etc.  And it works in college because you don't have to have any substance there or any legit coaching.  You just need to get better players than the majority of the teams you're gonna play.  Win your conference a time or two, or hell, even some no-name bowl every year, and you're golden. 

That's all he did.  He sold kids on his program - on his brand, even if there is nothing to it or behind it, it's selling the idea.  And in college, the football coach is pretty much the undisputed final word on campus, so once he's got you there, you either do exactly what you're told or you transfer.  So that ultimate power works in college as well because your authority is unquestioned, and up until the NIL shook the board up a little bit, kids really had no recourse or power at all...  even if they got to school and were lied to and ended up in a fuged up situation, there was no counter for them, they just had to deal with it...  so again, that poo flies in college, not in the pros.  You don't think players noticed something like when he came in and said he couldn't wait to coach Cam, Cam's a winner, blah, blah, blah, and then he turns around and dumps the face of the franchise for Teddy fuging Bridgewater?  Yes, Cam was not the Cam of old, but he still was the face of the franchise and had gravity that will last for our collective lifetime because of what he accomplished here and who he is to the organization, the city, the state, and the region.  You don't treat THAT guy with that much disregard and straight up lie about your plans with him and then dump him like yesterday's garbage.  BUT, in college, you can do that.  Your word doesn't have to mean anything, because what is an 18 year old kid really gonna do to your reputation in that system?  NOTHING.  Coaches purposely over-recruit all the time and lie through their teeth to get guys to come there and then bury them on the roster...  their word doesn't have to mean anything.  They tell the parents everything they want to hear - they'll be their son's parent away from home, turn them into men, teach them, guide them, give them a great education, and all that other bullshit...  and unless that kid is a star player, that HC barely says 3 words to then over the next 4 years.

But in the pros?  The players are the face.  They are constant.  They are what drives the league.  Whereas, again, in college, the coaches are because kids are churning out of there in 4 years or less and come and go.  The coach is the constant, the star, etc.  So when he got to the pros, and he starts woofing all that rah rah, the brand, the program, and all that other college bullshit, it means nothing because the players in the pros KNOW and SEE there is nothing holding it up.  There is nothing of substance to it.  So they're either gonna say, "fug this clown, imma just go out there and do what I do," or they're just gonna go through the motions because they know they don't have to answer for anything at the end of the day - and i think we're seeing s little of both here under Rhule.  But the takeaway is, in either case, they tune him out because he isn't credible, he isn't a man of integrity, he doesn't know what he's doing, and everything he says is meaningless and empty.  The players have the power in the NFL, so once they don't respect you, you're fuged.

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1 hour ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Im all for dunking on Rhule but that Baylor turnaround was pretty impressive. They damn near lost the program and he was a game away from the CFP by his 3rd year

Ironically, and closer to home, Duke Football during the Ted Roof era (early-mid 2000s) was under the same scrutiny. There were calls from trustees and some influential alum to take drastic measures. Everything from joining the Southern Conference to axing the program. Then The AD was fired and David Cutcliff was brought in. Of course, gone now but he changed the entire culture. 

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4 hours ago, Waldo said:

I still do not understand how his name was hot at the time of his hire. His resume was not very good yet he was being pumped up and posters here called that out at the time. It was complete BS. Fug the hot name. Give me a competent name.

I can stand a miss but this one was too damn obvious. 'But he made mid teir programs competitive but not good'...in schooll. Who gives AF? Like seriously how good is his agent to make chicken poop into meatballs and Hurney & Tepper ate that all up. He was never a good candidate for HC in the NFL or even school. 

Maybe you should ask the Waldo from 2 years ago lol.

(Sorry to inadvertently put you on blast @OldhamA)

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Move the Panthers to Raleigh Grand Master

Move the Panthers to Raleigh

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2 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Who he is and what he does works great for college.  All he does is "sell" people on a brand, program, etc.  And it works in college because you don't have to have any substance there or any legit coaching.  You just need to get better players than the majority of the teams you're gonna play.  Win your conference a time or two, or hell, even some no-name bowl every year, and you're golden. 

That's all he did.  He sold kids on his program - on his brand, even if there is nothing to it or behind it, it's selling the idea.  And in college, the football coach is pretty much the undisputed final word on campus, so once he's got you there, you either do exactly what you're told or you transfer.  So that ultimate power works in college as well because your authority is unquestioned, and up until the NIL shook the board up a little bit, kids really had no recourse or power at all...  even if they got to school and were lied to and ended up in a fuged up situation, there was no counter for them, they just had to deal with it...  so again, that poo flies in college, not in the pros.  You don't think players noticed something like when he came in and said he couldn't wait to coach Cam, Cam's a winner, blah, blah, blah, and then he turns around and dumps the face of the franchise for Teddy fuging Bridgewater?  Yes, Cam was not the Cam of old, but he still was the face of the franchise and had gravity that will last for our collective lifetime because of what he accomplished here and who he is to the organization, the city, the state, and the region.  You don't treat THAT guy with that much disregard and straight up lie about your plans with him and then dump him like yesterday's garbage.  BUT, in college, you can do that.  Your word doesn't have to mean anything, because what is an 18 year old kid really gonna do to your reputation in that system?  NOTHING.  Coaches purposely over-recruit all the time and lie through their teeth to get guys to come there and then bury them on the roster...  their word doesn't have to mean anything.  They tell the parents everything they want to hear - they'll be their son's parent away from home, turn them into men, teach them, guide them, give them a great education, and all that other bullshit...  and unless that kid is a star player, that HC barely says 3 words to then over the next 4 years.

But in the pros?  The players are the face.  They are constant.  They are what drives the league.  Whereas, again, in college, the coaches are because kids are churning out of there in 4 years or less and come and go.  The coach is the constant, the star, etc.  So when he got to the pros, and he starts woofing all that rah rah, the brand, the program, and all that other college bullshit, it means nothing because the players in the pros KNOW and SEE there is nothing holding it up.  There is nothing of substance to it.  So they're either gonna say, "fug this clown, imma just go out there and do what I do," or they're just gonna go through the motions because they know they don't have to answer for anything at the end of the day - and i think we're seeing s little of both here under Rhule.  But the takeaway is, in either case, they tune him out because he isn't credible, he isn't a man of integrity, he doesn't know what he's doing, and everything he says is meaningless and empty.  The players have the power in the NFL, so once they don't respect you, you're fuged.

Pretty good insight into Rhule and other college coaches going to the NFL.

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