Rhule defenders chime in here

[Gerry Green]

 One can hope for better, even in the worst of conditions. 

[Evil Hurney]

I'm not sure the intended outcome of this thread. Do Huddlers want actual optimism or is this a means to drive traffic via bickering and name-calling? 

I'll assume the former. Reasons for optimism:

• Defense is still good
  • Redzone defense seems to be improved; a focus from the offseason
  • Tackling and run defense, a point of emphasis from week 1, seemed to have been remedied in week 2
• Interior OL holding up well vs the pass rush; Icky is taking his lumps but should get better as the season goes along.
• Baker seems like an improvement at QB. When he gets time the offense looks decent.
• Fumbled snaps (an issue from week 1) seem to have been resolved in week 2
• The team has had the lead in the 4th quarter of both games; they are competitive but need to finish
• In-game decision making (via the HC) seems decent
  • I liked the "jump the snap" penalty on Ioannidis. Better odds of getting the ball back from 1st and 10 vs 2nd and 4.

This team will go as far as the offense will take it. The defense is good enough. The hope is that the offense will grow in comfort and execution over the course of the season; I realize the schedule is daunting and the record is already in a 2 game hole. 

Edited September 19, 2022 by Evil Hurney

[Gerry Green]

20 minutes ago, Evil Hurney said:

I'm not sure the intended outcome of this thread. Do Huddlers want actual optimism or is this a means to drive traffic via bickering and name-calling? 

I'll assume the former. Reasons for optimism:

• Defense is still good
  • Redzone defense seems to be improved; a focus from the offseason
  • Tackling and run defense, a point of emphasis from week 1, seemed to have been remedied in week 2
• Interior OL holding up well vs the pass rush; Icky is taking his lumps but should get better as the season goes along.
• Baker seems like an improvement at QB. When he gets time the offense looks decent.
• Fumbled snaps (an issue from week 1) seem to have been resolved in week 2
• The team has had the lead in the 4th quarter of both games; they are competitive but need to finish
• In-game decision making (via the HC) seems decent
  • I liked the "jump the snap" penalty on Ioannidis. Better odds of getting the ball back from 1st and 10 vs 2nd and 4.

This team will go as far as the offense will take it. The defense is good enough. The hope is that the offense will grow in comfort and execution over the course of the season; I realize the schedule is daunting and the record is already in a 2 game hole. 

 

There is talent on this team. And they, so far, have continued to play hard. Shi doesn't drop that pass at the 5 and who knows. Or if Frankie had made that INT. We just can't seem to get over that hump so to speak.

[CPantherKing]

6 hours ago, BrianS said:

The Panthers are in the midst of the worst four season run in their history.  I would like some reason to be hopeful.  Please, help me see it.

We have CMC, Moton, Corbett, Bozeman, Ickey (at guard), BC (at LT), Moore (as a 2) to build around on offense.

Get a HC and GM who want to work together for a decade. Make sure the HC is capable of competing with the top 10 HCs. Let them find a QB they will sink or swim with for 2 to 3 seasons. Add a young #1 WR in the draft and a pass catching TE.

Keep Chinn as SS, Shaq, and McCall as defensive starters. Burns, Luvu, and Brown become specialists and not starters. Draft a MLB to be the heart and brains of the defense. Look for a lock down CB. There is a good stable of young CB depth and serviceable starters in Horn, Henderson, and Jackson. Need a DE, LB, and CB to start who are constant turnover threats for the opposing offense.

The team has enough for a quick 2 year turnaround with the right HC/GM duo. That is the positive.

Rhule and Fitt have got to go for this to have a chance at being a reality.

[CarolinaRideorDie]

I'm not here to defend Rhule, but I will say that we should keep Rhule until we have the #1 overall picked locked up. Because with Rhule as HC, we know we always have a chance to keep losing, don't want an interim HC coming in and managing to win 4-5 games to keep us irrelevant. 

[1of10Charnatives]

7 hours ago, Panthera onca said:

This should be the shortest thread in huddle history.

4Corners huddle poster appreciation thread.

[restNChrist]

"we're close"

Edited September 19, 2022 by restNChrist

[mrcompletely11]

49 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

We have CMC, Moton, Corbett, Bozeman, Ickey (at guard), BC (at LT), Moore (as a 2) to build around on offense.

Get a HC and GM who want to work together for a decade. Make sure the HC is capable of competing with the top 10 HCs. Let them find a QB they will sink or swim with for 2 to 3 seasons. Add a young #1 WR in the draft and a pass catching TE.

Keep Chinn as SS, Shaq, and McCall as defensive starters. Burns, Luvu, and Brown become specialists and not starters. Draft a MLB to be the heart and brains of the defense. Look for a lock down CB. There is a good stable of young CB depth and serviceable starters in Horn, Henderson, and Jackson. Need a DE, LB, and CB to start who are constant turnover threats for the opposing offense.

The team has enough for a quick 2 year turnaround with the right HC/GM duo. That is the positive.

Rhule and Fitt have got to go for this to have a chance at being a reality.

I like your idea about hc/gm/rookie qb all coming in together.   I will say though we need to trade players like cmac since it's a 2 year build.   Get draft capital for him while you can

[MasterAwesome]

7 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

That's pretty standard for that crowd. They always whine about negativity but they always disappear when things get rocky. Funny how most of the people they claim are overly negative are usually here for the wins and the losses.

Guess we see who the fairweather fans really are.

Are we saying your Huddle posting activity is a measure of your Panthers' fandom?  I remember poundaway getting called out by frank during the first half of Week 1 for being MIA while he was literally at the game lol. 

I'm one of those who "whines about negativity" (if we're being overly reductive) and I sure as hell don't want to jump on here during the peak of negativity during/after a loss lol.  That's why I historically tend to stay away from Gameday threads.  I don't think there is anything remotely contradictory about that; in fact, it's quite consistent.  I mean, y'all always tell people like us to "just stay away from the boards if it's too negative for you" but then we still get ridiculed for doing just that lol.  It's a lose-lose.

[poundaway]

4 hours ago, frankw said:

I've seen this claim but where are the Panthers fans actively cheering for us to be a bad team? 99% of fans are fed up with us being bad and want to be a relevant franchise again. These fans doing victory laps are a figment of your imagination.

  

5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The tank is on.  Or should be at least

Frank: duhh, whats a tank have to do with football? 

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by poundaway

[poundaway]

6 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Are we saying your Huddle posting activity is a measure of your Panthers' fandom?  I remember poundaway getting called out by frank during the first half of Week 1 for being MIA while he was literally at the game lol. 

 

I know.  Some people take their huddle activity VERY VERY seriously.

Their lives are a joke.   They  think if you aren't posting on the huddle, you're not a fan.

I was camping this past weekend  and Frank was pining for me.

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by poundaway

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

14 minutes ago, poundaway said:

  

Frank: duhh, whats a tank have to do with football? 

 

Pretty sure those two are the same person.

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

10 minutes ago, poundaway said:

I know.  Some people take their huddle activity VERY VERY seriously.

Their lives are a joke.   They  think if you aren't posting on the huddle, you're not a fan.

I was camping this past weekend  and Frank was pining for me.

 

This is a live action look at completelyfrankchucks life outside of the huddle...

[bandu]

I would prefer to see a thread as to why we should keep Scott Fitterer?

on the other hand Matt Rhule is a no brainer at this point...just saying