Refs screwed us

[TheBlue]

19 hours ago, CRA said:

I mean we don’t even actually know that for a fact.   Likely?  Yes.  Rookie’s kick would have been good even pushed back 10 yards.   It had the distance.   He has 70 yard distance apparently that he displayed in preseason.  Or maybe they go for a Hail Mary….and the heavy penalty ridden Panther D does something dumb.  No one knows. 

it might be a dumb take but it’s the position every reputable coach generally has.   Same for players.  It’s the same logic when a Panther kicker misses a would be game winning kick at the end….and the players say the missed kick didn’t actually lose the game.  It was all the other plays before it that were the reason.  No game is actually decided by any one play or call.  We just talk about the ones at the end. 

you can’t be as bad as we were Sunday and totally excuse that from why we ended up with an L.  NFL refs are always bad.  We played with fire being content letting the Browns have a shot and got burned really bad by it. 

But it was a poo call.  They should fire refs that don’t know the rules.  Especially after consulting each other on it. 

We played bad but we made a enough plays at the end to take the lead. That’s what matters. You don’t need 60 minutes of mistake free football to win games. You just need enough plays to put you over the top. 
 

obviously that becomes harder when it is no longer 11 vs 11 but 11 v 12 because one side gets game altering calls in their favor. That’s what is was. Two game altering calls that had no business happening. 

[CRA]

55 minutes ago, TheBlue said:

 

obviously that becomes harder when it is no longer 11 vs 11 but 11 v 12 because one side gets game altering calls in their favor. That’s what is was. Two game altering calls that had no business happening. 

I mean they were bad.  But the NFL doesn’t seem to care.  I have never seen evidence they punish the refs for being horrific.  

i think if we were a better and more important  team they probably would be forced to publicly address the spike.   I mean they consulted, voiced it was a penalty and then picked it up lol.   

1% of me has always believed/argued the NFL is rigged to an extent.  Games like that are why.   Our Super Bowl to Denver too.  I mean not every game but I think the NFL puts their thumb on the scales.  Which isn’t a wild take IMO.  You see shady poo in all avenues of life. 

[ichigo1057]

21 hours ago, MillionDollarCam said:

The 10 second run off doesn’t mean the clock keeps running, it means the clock gets wound down to 3 seconds (as there were 13 seconds on the clock) and it stays there until the ball gets set…

I'd argue that the 10 second run off is an important part of it. Sure the clock is stopped until the ball is set BUT they still would have had to rush out their kicking team and get set in order to snap the ball with so little time and thus making kick much more difficult than one where they have plenty of time to line up and get mentally prepared.

[ichigo1057]

21 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

How do you not use our last time out to try and ice the kicker? Kicking that far twice in a row probably isn't the easiest thing in the world

Personally, I'm not a fan of icing the kicker. It works out sometimes however it often backfires more than it helps. Hell, the Seahawk vs. Broncos game is an example where icing them almost helped the kicker. They still ended up missing it but the 2nd kick was much closer than the first one was since he got to see just what kind of adjustment he'd need to make.

[MillionDollarCam]

3 hours ago, ichigo1057 said:

I'd argue that the 10 second run off is an important part of it. Sure the clock is stopped until the ball is set BUT they still would have had to rush out their kicking team and get set in order to snap the ball with so little time and thus making kick much more difficult than one where they have plenty of time to line up and get mentally prepared.

Valid argument for sure, but honestly who knows what happens from there. Did we get screwed, absolutely. Were those calls the only reason we lost? Nahhh…

At the end of the day, the Browns still had to make a few plays to get into FG range and then make the kick. We didn’t stop them from getting into field goal range or block the kick… so, the Browns won.

[GRWatcher]

Why is no one talking about the 15 yards they were given with taking no time off the clock when the kickoff to start their drive went out of bounds????? That, to me, was what lost us the game more than the refs' call. That was a play we could control and didn't. I more expect perfection from our kicker than I do the refs. Do you think they would've tried a 73 yard FG? I don't think so.

[Zaximus]

This has been an interesting thread.  I think clearly he refs caused us to lose the game.  It is irrelevant how bad we played previous because it doesn't negate that fact.  We were winning, they gave two penalties that let the Browns get into position to win.

But watching folks in complete denial that refs did this is even more interesting.  I understand though, people do NOT want to admit one of their favorite past-times may not be as pure as they think (most pro sports aren't and there has even been evidence).  This is what the NFL banks on which is too big to fail.  The officiating gets worse every year and no changes happen.  Rules get more muddied.  But folks still defend the calls.  I was in denial for a bit too until the Denver Super Bowl and that is all the evidence I needed.  It's still fun to watch, but I watch it in a different way than before.

Edited September 15, 2022 by Zaximus

[coffee]

Forgive me if this is posted elsewhere.  I accidentally missed about 19 of these 21 pages.

Bill Polian on NFL Radio last night was clear that the intentional grounding call unfairly cost us the game.  He said the most agonizing part was that they got it right, then converted to the wrong call.

I respect his views and thought I'd share.  As I said elsewhere, I don't believe it was a conspiracy.  Just two bad calls made by refs in preseason form that happened to be at the worst time for us.

Edited September 15, 2022 by coffee

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

Aints laughing at all the NFC South teams. This guy even says something about the refs in our loss to Browns.

[ichigo1057]

11 hours ago, GRWatcher said:

Why is no one talking about the 15 yards they were given with taking no time off the clock when the kickoff to start their drive went out of bounds????? That, to me, was what lost us the game more than the refs' call. That was a play we could control and didn't. I more expect perfection from our kicker than I do the refs. Do you think they would've tried a 73 yard FG? I don't think so.

The final drive didn't start with an out of bounds kick in fact it was a touchback. You are thinking of earlier in the game, I believe a bit before the end of the 2nd quarter. That drive ended in a 26 yard FG. 

[Catsfan69]

Does the NFL still not have full time officials?

I know they used to be only part time. 

[GRWatcher]

28 minutes ago, ichigo1057 said:

The final drive didn't start with an out of bounds kick in fact it was a touchback. You are thinking of earlier in the game, I believe a bit before the end of the 2nd quarter. That drive ended in a 26 yard FG. 

Thank you. I was thinking of the wrong kickoff. 

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Does the NFL still not have full time officials?

I know they used to be only part time. 

they are still part time.   it's a side hustle. 

just like college. 

[poundaway]

7 hours ago, coffee said:

Bill Polian on NFL Radio last night was clear that the intentional grounding call unfairly cost us the game.  He said the most agonizing part was that they got it right, then converted to the wrong call.

 

The case to overturn the flag after it is thrown should be solid.  It wasn't even correct.