Week 1 General Discussions - Talk to me about the Browns

[Mr. Scot]

14 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

It'll be interesting watching the O-line against the CLE established D-line and what McAdoo draws up/what Baker audibles to. The thing i've picked up from pressers that actually makes me feel somewhat optimistic is that Baker has free reign to change the plays however he feels fit at the line of scrimmage. Wouldn't trust Darnold with that but I could see it being a positive with Baker and CMC beside each other in the backfield

From what we've been told, Joe Brady didn't trust anybody to do it.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, ncsdawg said:

Hello!  I am a long time Browns fan, but as a father I've decided not to support the current team leadership for obvious reasons.  I've lived in NC most of my life, so am going to enjoy rooting for the home team with my kids.  This has nothing to do with Baker, IMHO the jury is still out on him.  Being that this is his 4th offensive system in 5 seasons, and having suffered through brutal injuries last season, he may not hit his stride for a couple more seasons.  Which is unfortunate due to his age.  But on to the Brownies...

The defense should be the strength of this team, SHOULD being the operative word.  They run a 4-2-5, base is a cover 3 or quarters.  The defense is predicated on not giving up big plays in the passing game.  Starting up front, Myles Garrett is a beast and should not be left alone with a rookie.  He has been known to try to do too much, when this happens he can be moved out of position (see the NE game last year).   He is also known for strip sacking QBs, so there's that.  Clowney is also a beast on the other side, much harder to run against that side of the line.  Their DT unit is very much unproven.  The Browns don't ask much of them, mainly just maintain gap integrity and allow the ends to collapse the pocket.  Even with Clowney and Garrett, they have trouble generating pressure against good o-lines.  You will see either 2 or 3 LB's on the field.  JOK and Walker are both exceptional and can make plays in coverage and in the backfield.  Either one could have primary coverage responsibility on a given play.  At corner Ward is as good as it gets on one side, and Newsome is becoming a top young corner as well.  The safeties are Johnson, who is very good, and Delpit who is also very good when he's on the field.  For the defense one big question will be slot.   As dominant as this defense has the potential to be, they have never been consistent enough to live up to their billing.  Last season they were infuriatingly inconsistent, often giving up the big plays underneath.  Or as one poster already pointed out, making career backups look like all pros.   They had some success towards the end of last season, we'll see if it translates to 2022.

On offense the Browns play multiple blocking schemes, but their strength is outside zone.  Starting with the offensive line, they are beastly and fast up front.  Teller and Bitonio are the best guard tandem in the NFL.  Wills has been a solid enough LT, great in the running game, and Conklin is all-pro at RT (though coming off an injury so we'll see).  They will miss Tretter up front, C is unproven.  At running back, Nick Chubb.  Over the last four years he has ranked 1st in the NFL in yards after contact and missed tackles per rushing attempt.  He also has the speed to take it to the house.  His highlight real is full of plays where he ran over someone and then sprinted 50+ yards to the end zone.  And then there's Hunt.  Their best TE is David Njoku who has speed and has big play ability in the passing game, and is also a willing blocker.  Depth beyond that is questionable, with Bryant showing potential but not putting it all together yet.  At WR Amari Cooper is a solid #1 who can lineup just about anywhere, but they are unproven after that.  DPJ has good speed and athleticism and the rookie Bell has looked good in camp.  The Browns run a timing based offense requiring very precise route running.  The lack of experience and depth at WR is likely to rear its head at some point.  At QB there's Brissett, who I admire because of where he started and the fact that he's still in the league.  If the defense plays up to its potential and the run game is working, and they win the TO battle, he's good enough to win. The biggest challenge with the offense has been play calling.  Coach Stefanski will inexplicably stop handing the ball to Chubb with the game on the line.  The best offensive play calling I've seen from that regime was the one game where Stefanski was at home in his basement.

Thanks for reading, I hope at least some of this babbling makes your Sunday viewing more enjoyable.  

 

Welcome aboard.

Since you mentioned being a father as related to your team change, I'm guessing I have some idea what those "obvious reasons" might pertain to

[Jackie Lee]

 

[DJ feed me moore]

5 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

the jags??? lol

[*FreeFua*]

Chubb’s rushing line has already moved 2 yards since opening at 67.5

Curious to see how high it ends up before Sunday 

[Jackie Lee]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Chubb’s rushing line has already moved 2 yards since opening at 67.5

Curious to see how high it ends up before Sunday 

After we signed Henry Anderson?

[TheRumGone]

I just read on a browns board that the offense hasn’t really played together in preseason? And the fans are expecting very vanilla playcalling while they build chemistry. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

I think we're going to lose Sunday Baker will play well but our D will struggle with their run game 

Cleveland has an excellent defense 

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, DJ feed me moore said:

the jags??? lol

there is a lot of hype for the jags this year. I find that interesting, but we will see. They have the most boom or bust appeal than any team in the NFL.

[Pimpdaddy]

6 hours ago, ncsdawg said:

Hello!  I am a long time Browns fan, but as a father I've decided not to support the current team leadership for obvious reasons.  I've lived in NC most of my life, so am going to enjoy rooting for the home team with my kids.  This has nothing to do with Baker, IMHO the jury is still out on him.  Being that this is his 4th offensive system in 5 seasons, and having suffered through brutal injuries last season, he may not hit his stride for a couple more seasons.  Which is unfortunate due to his age.  But on to the Brownies...

The defense should be the strength of this team, SHOULD being the operative word.  They run a 4-2-5, base is a cover 3 or quarters.  The defense is predicated on not giving up big plays in the passing game.  Starting up front, Myles Garrett is a beast and should not be left alone with a rookie.  He has been known to try to do too much, when this happens he can be moved out of position (see the NE game last year).   He is also known for strip sacking QBs, so there's that.  Clowney is also a beast on the other side, much harder to run against that side of the line.  Their DT unit is very much unproven.  The Browns don't ask much of them, mainly just maintain gap integrity and allow the ends to collapse the pocket.  Even with Clowney and Garrett, they have trouble generating pressure against good o-lines.  You will see either 2 or 3 LB's on the field.  JOK and Walker are both exceptional and can make plays in coverage and in the backfield.  Either one could have primary coverage responsibility on a given play.  At corner Ward is as good as it gets on one side, and Newsome is becoming a top young corner as well.  The safeties are Johnson, who is very good, and Delpit who is also very good when he's on the field.  For the defense one big question will be slot.   As dominant as this defense has the potential to be, they have never been consistent enough to live up to their billing.  Last season they were infuriatingly inconsistent, often giving up the big plays underneath.  Or as one poster already pointed out, making career backups look like all pros.   They had some success towards the end of last season, we'll see if it translates to 2022.

On offense the Browns play multiple blocking schemes, but their strength is outside zone.  Starting with the offensive line, they are beastly and fast up front.  Teller and Bitonio are the best guard tandem in the NFL.  Wills has been a solid enough LT, great in the running game, and Conklin is all-pro at RT (though coming off an injury so we'll see).  They will miss Tretter up front, C is unproven.  At running back, Nick Chubb.  Over the last four years he has ranked 1st in the NFL in yards after contact and missed tackles per rushing attempt.  He also has the speed to take it to the house.  His highlight real is full of plays where he ran over someone and then sprinted 50+ yards to the end zone.  And then there's Hunt.  Their best TE is David Njoku who has speed and has big play ability in the passing game, and is also a willing blocker.  Depth beyond that is questionable, with Bryant showing potential but not putting it all together yet.  At WR Amari Cooper is a solid #1 who can lineup just about anywhere, but they are unproven after that.  DPJ has good speed and athleticism and the rookie Bell has looked good in camp.  The Browns run a timing based offense requiring very precise route running.  The lack of experience and depth at WR is likely to rear its head at some point.  At QB there's Brissett, who I admire because of where he started and the fact that he's still in the league.  If the defense plays up to its potential and the run game is working, and they win the TO battle, he's good enough to win. The biggest challenge with the offense has been play calling.  Coach Stefanski will inexplicably stop handing the ball to Chubb with the game on the line.  The best offensive play calling I've seen from that regime was the one game where Stefanski was at home in his basement.

Thanks for reading, I hope at least some of this babbling makes your Sunday viewing more enjoyable.  

 

been following the Browns forever.... this summation of the current team is spot on.

[ncsdawg]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Welcome aboard.

Since you mentioned being a father as related to your team change, I'm guessing I have some idea what those "obvious reasons" might pertain to

Go Panthers!

[Thomas31873]

7 hours ago, ncsdawg said:

Hello!  I am a long time Browns fan, but as a father I've decided not to support the current team leadership for obvious reasons.  I've lived in NC most of my life, so am going to enjoy rooting for the home team with my kids.  This has nothing to do with Baker, IMHO the jury is still out on him.  Being that this is his 4th offensive system in 5 seasons, and having suffered through brutal injuries last season, he may not hit his stride for a couple more seasons.  Which is unfortunate due to his age.  But on to the Brownies...

The defense should be the strength of this team, SHOULD being the operative word.  They run a 4-2-5, base is a cover 3 or quarters.  The defense is predicated on not giving up big plays in the passing game.  Starting up front, Myles Garrett is a beast and should not be left alone with a rookie.  He has been known to try to do too much, when this happens he can be moved out of position (see the NE game last year).   He is also known for strip sacking QBs, so there's that.  Clowney is also a beast on the other side, much harder to run against that side of the line.  Their DT unit is very much unproven.  The Browns don't ask much of them, mainly just maintain gap integrity and allow the ends to collapse the pocket.  Even with Clowney and Garrett, they have trouble generating pressure against good o-lines.  You will see either 2 or 3 LB's on the field.  JOK and Walker are both exceptional and can make plays in coverage and in the backfield.  Either one could have primary coverage responsibility on a given play.  At corner Ward is as good as it gets on one side, and Newsome is becoming a top young corner as well.  The safeties are Johnson, who is very good, and Delpit who is also very good when he's on the field.  For the defense one big question will be slot.   As dominant as this defense has the potential to be, they have never been consistent enough to live up to their billing.  Last season they were infuriatingly inconsistent, often giving up the big plays underneath.  Or as one poster already pointed out, making career backups look like all pros.   They had some success towards the end of last season, we'll see if it translates to 2022.

On offense the Browns play multiple blocking schemes, but their strength is outside zone.  Starting with the offensive line, they are beastly and fast up front.  Teller and Bitonio are the best guard tandem in the NFL.  Wills has been a solid enough LT, great in the running game, and Conklin is all-pro at RT (though coming off an injury so we'll see).  They will miss Tretter up front, C is unproven.  At running back, Nick Chubb.  Over the last four years he has ranked 1st in the NFL in yards after contact and missed tackles per rushing attempt.  He also has the speed to take it to the house.  His highlight real is full of plays where he ran over someone and then sprinted 50+ yards to the end zone.  And then there's Hunt.  Their best TE is David Njoku who has speed and has big play ability in the passing game, and is also a willing blocker.  Depth beyond that is questionable, with Bryant showing potential but not putting it all together yet.  At WR Amari Cooper is a solid #1 who can lineup just about anywhere, but they are unproven after that.  DPJ has good speed and athleticism and the rookie Bell has looked good in camp.  The Browns run a timing based offense requiring very precise route running.  The lack of experience and depth at WR is likely to rear its head at some point.  At QB there's Brissett, who I admire because of where he started and the fact that he's still in the league.  If the defense plays up to its potential and the run game is working, and they win the TO battle, he's good enough to win. The biggest challenge with the offense has been play calling.  Coach Stefanski will inexplicably stop handing the ball to Chubb with the game on the line.  The best offensive play calling I've seen from that regime was the one game where Stefanski was at home in his basement.

Thanks for reading, I hope at least some of this babbling makes your Sunday viewing more enjoyable.  

 

Agree with most of this.

Wills is pretty good in the running game but I'd say below average at pass protection, I think this is his make or break year as a LT. He might need moved back to RT (which would work out because this is the last year Conklin is under contract). Conklin struggled a bit before his injury and may or may not be ready for week 1 but he is light years better than Hudson so the Browns will need him to suit up.

You're higher on Walker than I am. Delpit hasn't proven much, he is still potential at this time. Johnson is okay, not special. Corners are very good and very deep. Garrett is a beast but ever since he got covid he has worn down quickly, another season may get that out of his system. He also jumps offside a lot and Baker has one of the best hard counts in the league so as long as his lineman don't jump I could see 4 or 5 off sides for the Browns, mostly by Garrett.

It will be interesting to see if the Browns end up with more sacks or off sides penalties in this game.

 

[AggieLean]

On 9/5/2022 at 5:57 PM, Jackie Lee said:

 

Can’t wait to see Robbie bounce back.

[TheCasillas]

Nothing I want more than for Stefanski to face plant this season. As most of you know I think the guy is highly overrated and has a ton of empty hype around the league. This is his last year with the browns, especially with that Watson contract.