interesting convo about jake post game

[Newtcase]

How many touchbacks did Lloyd account for last year?

Not that the number of touchbacks is really relevant to the argument of whether kickers are real players or not, but...

Lloyd has had 50 touchbacks on 140 kickoffs as a Panther. Just slightly better than 1 of 3.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Lloyd has had 50 touchbacks on 140 kickoffs as a Panther. Just slightly better than 1 of 3.

That seems pretty good, no?

[Newtcase]

That seems pretty good, no?

It puts him in the top 5 over his career. However, I expect him to be able to put it deep more often than that considering it's the only reason he's here.

For the record...I never said kickers weren't valuable to the team...I said they weren't real football players. From an athletic standpoint, I think thats entirely true. Name a kicker who could hold a roster spot on any NFL team in any position other kicker. Athletically they can't hold a candle to "real" NFL players.

[Howestek]

It puts him in the top 5 over his career. However, I expect him to be able to put it deep more often than that considering it's the only reason he's here.

For the record...I never said kickers weren't valuable to the team...I said they weren't real football players. From an athletic standpoint, I think thats entirely true. Name a kicker who could hold a roster spot on any NFL team in any position other kicker. Athletically they can't hold a candle to "real" NFL players.

No offense, but that doesn't really hold much water. Most of the so called "real" football players would likewise have trouble holding a roster spot at any other position on any other NFL team. A few can. Most can't.

I know what you're saying, though.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Name a kicker who could hold a roster spot on any NFL team in any position other kicker.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the vast majority of players in the NFL play only one position. It's not because they can't play other positions so much as it is that is the position they are best at.

[Newtcase]

No offense, but that doesn't really hold much water. Most of the so called "real" football players would likewise have trouble holding a roster spot at any other position on any other NFL team. A few can. Most can't.

I know what you're saying, though.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the vast majority of players in the NFL play only one position. It's not because they can't play other positions so much as it is that is the position they are best at.

This is missing the context of the argument. The context isn't whether other players can hold other positions. The argument is that kickers are athletically inferior to any other position in the NFL.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

The argument is that kickers are athletically inferior to any other position in the NFL.

If that's your point, then I guess you've made it.

You really showed Lloyd who, despite his inferior athleticism, is one of the best at his position in the game.

[KillerKat]

John Fox doesn't have a set of balls to bench Jake without giving a lame injury excuse. He's too chicken poo about what the other players would do. A real head coach would care about what's best for the team and winning. Not caring about other people's feelings.

[CatMan72]

What else would you expect a good teammate to say in a public forum like twitter?

If I was Jake's teammate I'd say the same thing right now - that's how it's done.

[Newtcase]

If that's your point, then I guess you've made it.

You really showed Lloyd who, despite his inferior athleticism, is one of the best at his position in the game.

Thanks!!!

I knew you would come along for the ride eventually!! :auto:

[Kevin Greene]

I wish the Panthers were emotionally attached to winning.

We need a mindset like the Steelers and Ravens showed Sunday night.

Hmmmmmm.

[WildBill559]

Sucks to see Lloyd getting hate now. He does his job well enough to keep it and it's not by his choice that it's limited. He should get respect for keeping himself off of a practice squad while he waits for his opportunity to advance. It's crazy that he could lead the league and people still wouldn't appreciate what he offers.

I'm not taking the Jake comments too seriously. Lloyd has been trying to quiet down the dramatic tweets for a while. Most players probably can't stand us during the week. He's being a good teammate and he's publicly coming off unbiased to his buddy Matt Moore.

[rayzor]

I wish the Panthers were emotionally attached to winning.

same here.

[Mr. Scot]

another reason why Lloyd should not be back next season

You're not seriously suggesting that defending a teammate is a reason to release someone, are you?