Baker Could Be our “Brees”

[joemac]

15 minutes ago, lol_whodat said:

Done talking to y'all now and can't wait to beat your team with Lobber Legs again. By the way at FSU it wasn't crab legs... Have fun believing that your team will actually have a winning record again with no coach. 

Your coach is Dennis Allen, who somehow, is even worse than Rhule.  You have fun with that. 

[kungfoodude]

Imagine being a Saints fan and think your team was in a good place as a franchise?

They lost the two biggest elements(Payton, Brees) that got them all their glory in successive years. 

Regarding Brees choking.

2020 Playoffs: As a 2nd seed lost to the 5th seed.

2019 Playoffs: As the 3rd seed lost to the 6th seed.

2018 Playoffs: As the 1st seed lost to the 2nd seed.

2017 Playoffs: As the 4th seed lost to the 2nd seed. 

2013 Playoffs: As a 6th seed lost to the 1st seed. 

2011 Playoffs: As the 3rd seed lost to the 2nd seed.

2010 Playoffs: As a 5th seed lost to the 4th seed.

2009 Playoffs: As 1st seed beat AFC 1st seed. SB Champs

2006 Playoffs: As the 2nd seed lost to the 1st seed.

 

So I guess actually the Brees Saints played to seed 67% of the time to a 33% choke ratio. All at the end of his career, as well.

[poorboysrev]

57 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

The Saints got away with multiple penalties that game. As far as the non call goes. That’s just karma for all the years the refs played storymode for you. 

That’s what I’m saying…one hit my ass haha

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I thought the trade was completely foolish. He was a terrible player that showed very little potential. He lived up to that reputation.

The extension had me livid.

[rayzor]

18 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Brees was a Charger for two years if I remember correctly. Baker was a four year Brown. They had plenty of time to see if he was the next Brees or not.

Spoiler alert: ...

you don't.

he was a charger for 5 years (drafted 2nd round/32nd overall in 2001 draft). first year he sat behind doug flutie and only saw the field game. 

next year ('02) he got the start and went 8-8 and threw 17 TDs:16 INTs, almost 3300 yards. 

third year ('03) as a starter he got hurt and had a 2-9 record starting. 11 TDs:15 INTs. 2100 yards. result: chargers weren't impressed and drafted Eli Manning (then traded for Rivers when Eli said he wasn't going to play for the chargers).

In '04, his fourth year in the league (third as a starter), he blew up and even though he threw for less than 3200 yards, he still threw  27 TDs and only 7 INTs and they had their first winning record in nearly a decade.

the next year ('05) he came back down to earth a little but still threw over 3500 yards, 24 TDs and 15 INTs. last game of the season he got hurt pretty bad...messed up shoulder. he was up for a new contract and they offered him one filled with all kinds of incentives and he decided he'd walk. with Rivers sitting behind him he could see the writing on the wall. Had he stayed, he would have eventually become the backup because they had given Rivers a massive contract (6 year- $41mil/$15mil guaranteed). 

So he was an ok QB with one really good year out of 5, but it wasn't until he got to his second team that he really took off...when he had something to prove. even then, when he was a free agent, he was essentially the 2nd favorite FA behind dante cuplepper who was trying to come back from an injury himself. 

no one expected what he did in new orleans because aside from that one year out of 5, he hadn't really shown much. that '04 pro-bowl year looked like a fluke.

[CPantherKing]

9 hours ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

The guy had a torn labrum and still played through 14 games last year. Cut him a break. I think that also shows some damn toughness on his part. 

Excusing the production of a starter with an injury for not producing wins if they choose to take up a spot on the field is how you lose. Champions are not made that way and champions do not stop winning/producing if they choose to play injured.

[RumHam]

On 8/28/2022 at 11:20 AM, stbugs said:

I was against signing Baker, but I’m glad we have him based on how rough Corral looked. I only didn’t want him because I knew Sam and/or PJ could easily lead us to the top pick in a good QB draft class.

We just need a good HC/GM. I enjoyed the Rivera/Gettleman era because we were relevant, but as we saw in the SB, it’s nice to have a coaching staff that elevates the team not just the most talent that wins you games until you get completely out coached.

imagine banking your season on starting a third round quarterback. 

[Coreyl90]

10 hours ago, lol_whodat said:

Done talking to y'all now and can't wait to beat your team with Lobber Legs again. By the way at FSU it wasn't crab legs... Have fun believing that your team will actually have a winning record again with no coach. 

Have fun with Dennis Allen. 

[rayzor]

13 hours ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

The guy had a torn labrum and still played through 14 games last year. Cut him a break. I think that also shows some damn toughness on his part. 

Just another point of interest, the injury Brees got in his last game as a charger was a torn labrum.

[YourLastThought]

12 hours ago, lol_whodat said:

Done talking to y'all now and can't wait to beat your team with Lobber Legs again. By the way at FSU it wasn't crab legs... Have fun believing that your team will actually have a winning record again with no coach. 

Why don't you just go away? Go back to that Taint board you swamp mouthed backwoods butt humping reject. Your team is trending into obscurity and the downward fall will begin this season. Get your paper bags ready again moron except for youyou of course I suggest you wear a plastic bag over your face with a tight rubber band around the neck. The only thing that sucks worse than your teams fan base is your cousin you took to your prom. I am also going to enjoy when Sean Payton comes back to coaching and comes into New Orleans with his new team spanking your Taints ass a time or two a year. 

[Iron Saint]

Aight, multi-quote bomb going nuclear in 3... 2... 1...

@Luciu5 

@joemac

That GIF is for you gentlemen.

On 8/28/2022 at 9:04 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not sure who's more delusional, @rippadonn with his Corral love fest or @Iron Saint talking about Jameis being a HOFer.

I'm disappointed in you, @LinvilleGorge! I can cut the previous 2 posters a little slack,  but I know you've been around here long enough to be familiar with my posts to differentiate when I'm being serious and when I'm clowning. Tsk tsk.

On 8/28/2022 at 9:06 PM, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

The sad thing is it's easier to believe Iron Saint is being sarcastic than rippadonn lol.

So does everyone here just share the same brain and take turns getting to use it? Hows that work, one poster gets to use it for a week or so before passing it on to the next poster or is it like a 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi thing?

I thought I was laying it on pretty thick, but I guess not after logging in to multiple quotes and mentions.

On 8/28/2022 at 9:08 PM, Chaos said:

We're talking about legitimate football stats and player comparisons, we've got a rival fan in this thread, and a team that some feel could be a shocker in the league this season.  Feels like old times and I like it, welcome back football!

Hell yeah!

On 8/29/2022 at 12:53 AM, GoobyPls said:

Yeah cause Payton was drawing up the perfect plays. If Brees went to Miami instead he would been out of the league 7 years ago.

Payton can draw up plays until the cows come home, but it took Brees to not only execute them on the field, but to perfect them week in and week out for a decade and a half.

There's a reason Payton hasn't had sustained success with any QB not named Brees.

Also you didn't answer my question from my previous post so I'll kindly re-ask to save you the effort of scrolling up multiple pages; so does Payton get the credit for Brees' and Carmichael's successes in 2012 despite not having any contact with them from mid-March through February or so? Same with 2000-2002 Kerry Collins. Pls & thx.

On 8/29/2022 at 8:11 AM, kungfoodude said:

I mean....Pat Mahomes drug a weak defense to a SB title. Joe Burrow almost did. I guess that is what real elite talent does, not need everything to be perfect around them in the playoffs. 

But were either of those defenses considered among the worst defenses of all-time? No?

As great as Mahomes and Burrow have looked thus far in their short careers, lets see one of them win 8 games with a defense allowing 29.8 ppg (2015) or 440.1 ypg (2012), much less "drag them to the playoffs". Then we'll have something to talk about.

I expected better of you, friend. You knew that was a disingenuous argument when you made it.

On 8/29/2022 at 8:28 AM, joemac said:

Do these Saints jabronis have a Google alert set up for Drew Brees or something?  WTF?

Yeah, and I got one set up for your mom too.

I know, that was childish but you know you laughed too.

On 8/29/2022 at 8:33 AM, OneBadCat said:

The Saints got away with multiple penalties that game.

Which ones specifically? Please elaborate.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Iron Saint

[GoobyPls]

3 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

Aight, multi-quote bomb going nuclear in 3... 2... 1...

@Luciu5 

@joemac

That GIF is for you gentlemen.

I'm disappointed in you, @LinvilleGorge! I can cut the previous 2 posters a little slack,  but I know you've been around here long enough to be familiar with my posts to differentiate when I'm being serious and when I'm clowning. Tsk tsk.

So does everyone here just share the same brain and take turns getting to use it? Hows that work, one poster gets to use it for a week or so before passing it on to the next poster or is it like a 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi thing?

I thought I was laying it on pretty thick, but I guess not after logging in to multiple quotes and mentions.

Hell yeah!

Payton can draw up plays until the cows come home, but it took Brees to not only execute them on the field, but to perfect them week in and week out for a decade and a half.

There's a reason Payton hasn't had sustained success with any QB not named Brees.

Also you didn't answer my question from my previous post so I'll kindly re-ask to save you the effort of scrolling up multiple pages; so does Payton get the credit for Brees' and Carmichael's successes in 2012 despite not having any contact with them from mid-March through February or so? Same with 2000-2002 Kerry Collins. Pls & thx.

But were either of those defenses considered among the worst defenses of all-time? No?

As great as Mahomes and Burrow have looked thus far in their short careers, lets see one of them win 8 games with a defense allowing 29.8 ppg (2015) or 440.1 ypg (2012), much less "drag them to the playoffs". Then we'll have something to talk about.

I expected better of you, friend. You knew that was a disingenuous argument when you made it.

Yeah, and I got one set up for your mom too.

I know, that was childish but you know you laughed too.

Which ones specifically? Please elaborate.

 

 

Payton has a winning record with Bridgewater and Hill, and Teddy was on pace to have a career year. Congrats on Brees throwing a bunch of garbage time stats in 2012 while losing a bunch of games.

[kungfoodude]

8 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

Aight, multi-quote bomb going nuclear in 3... 2... 1...

@Luciu5 

@joemac

That GIF is for you gentlemen.

I'm disappointed in you, @LinvilleGorge! I can cut the previous 2 posters a little slack,  but I know you've been around here long enough to be familiar with my posts to differentiate when I'm being serious and when I'm clowning. Tsk tsk.

So does everyone here just share the same brain and take turns getting to use it? Hows that work, one poster gets to use it for a week or so before passing it on to the next poster or is it like a 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi thing?

I thought I was laying it on pretty thick, but I guess not after logging in to multiple quotes and mentions.

Hell yeah!

Payton can draw up plays until the cows come home, but it took Brees to not only execute them on the field, but to perfect them week in and week out for a decade and a half.

There's a reason Payton hasn't had sustained success with any QB not named Brees.

Also you didn't answer my question from my previous post so I'll kindly re-ask to save you the effort of scrolling up multiple pages; so does Payton get the credit for Brees' and Carmichael's successes in 2012 despite not having any contact with them from mid-March through February or so? Same with 2000-2002 Kerry Collins. Pls & thx.

But were either of those defenses considered among the worst defenses of all-time? No?

As great as Mahomes and Burrow have looked thus far in their short careers, lets see one of them win 8 games with a defense allowing 29.8 ppg (2015) or 440.1 ypg (2012), much less "drag them to the playoffs". Then we'll have something to talk about.

I expected better of you, friend. You knew that was a disingenuous argument when you made it.

Yeah, and I got one set up for your mom too.

I know, that was childish but you know you laughed too.

Which ones specifically? Please elaborate.

 

 

Well that was an impressive hissy fit.

So, back to your "examples."

In the Brees Choke Era

2020: 5th in PPG Defense, 4th in YPG Defense

2019: 13th in PPG Defense, 11th in YPG Defense

2018: 14th in PPG Defense, 14th in YPG Defense

The examples you cited as "proof"

In 2012 and 2015 the Saints went 7-9 and missed the playoffs. So without any defensive help....they lost. That isn't going to the Super Bowl. That isn't even going to the playoffs. 

Burrow 2021

17th in PPG Defense, 18th in YPG Defense

Mahomes 2020(SB Loss)

11th in PPG Defense, 16th in YPG Defense

Mahomes 2019(SB Win)

7th in PPG Defense, 17th in YPG Defense

 

So, in the three Brees chokes, New Orleans was an upper half YPG/PPG Defense 100% of the time. They were a top 10 YPG/PPG Defense 33% of the time.

In the Burrow/Mahomes SB runs, their respective teams were an upper half YPG/PPG Defense 33% of the time. They were a top 10 YPG/PPG Defense 16.7% of the time.

 

These were just limited examples. If you want, I can easily destroy the "playing to seed" portion of Brees career. That's up to you.

[ForJimmy]

31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well that was an impressive hissy fit.

So, back to your "examples."

In the Brees Choke Era

2020: 5th in PPG Defense, 4th in YPG Defense

2019: 13th in PPG Defense, 11th in YPG Defense

2018: 14th in PPG Defense, 14th in YPG Defense

The examples you cited as "proof"

In 2012 and 2015 the Saints went 7-9 and missed the playoffs. So without any defensive help....they lost. That isn't going to the Super Bowl. That isn't even going to the playoffs. 

Burrow 2021

17th in PPG Defense, 18th in YPG Defense

Mahomes 2020(SB Loss)

11th in PPG Defense, 16th in YPG Defense

Mahomes 2019(SB Win)

7th in PPG Defense, 17th in YPG Defense

 

So, in the three Brees chokes, New Orleans was an upper half YPG/PPG Defense 100% of the time. They were a top 10 YPG/PPG Defense 33% of the time.

In the Burrow/Mahomes SB runs, their respective teams were an upper half YPG/PPG Defense 33% of the time. They were a top 10 YPG/PPG Defense 16.7% of the time.

 

These were just limited examples. If you want, I can easily destroy the "playing to seed" portion of Brees career. That's up to you.