Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

If Mayfield balls out ....

Jmac

By Jmac,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

Jackie Lee Grand Master

Jackie Lee

Posted
Posted
12 minutes ago, Thomas31873 said:

Who are these teams with garbage QBs? (don't include 1 or 2 year 1st round rookies)

I don't understand his reply at all. Seahawks are the only team besides us that had a garbage QB situation and the difference is they seem ready to tank and Rhule is trying to save his job. There are a few teams maybe interested in him next year but if he plays well he won't be available for peanuts at that point. 

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Thomas31873 Contributor

Thomas31873

Posted
Posted
25 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I don't understand his reply at all. Seahawks are the only team besides us that had a garbage QB situation and the difference is they seem ready to tank and Rhule is trying to save his job. There are a few teams maybe interested in him next year but if he plays well he won't be available for peanuts at that point. 

Yeah...We all judge QBs differently so I was curious if he actually has a list or was just talking.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
top dawg Grand Master

top dawg

Posted
Posted
7 hours ago, bruceleeroy said:

Huh?  His first year he set the rookie TD record while not even playing the first 2.5 games.  His second year was Freddie Kitchens so that wasn't on him.  3rd year he was a top 10 QB and won a playoff game.  4th year - hurt all year.  So, he has had one truly bad year.

He was good for a rookie. If you can play, you can play. All the excuses for a sophomore slump and a vet QB who decided to play in his 4th year notwithstanding injury doesn't work for me. Moreover, Kurt Warner (& some others) said that the injury to his non-throwing shoulder wasn't a legit excuse.

We'll see what he has this year. If he balls out, we can talk. I'm hopeful, but Baker has to prove he's more than just an inconsistent, somewhat above average QB who is mindbogglingly erratic when crunch time comes.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
joemac Grand Master

joemac

Posted
Posted
13 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

I'm playing around with spotrac and I really don't see how we can get $60M off the books to afford a franchise tag. Enough to take that $5-8M first year cap hit is doable. Still going to be extending/restructuring Moton/DJ/Donte/CMC yet again, and also Shaq might be a cap casualty unless they seriously wanna consider extending him. I could see Robbie getting cut to save $12M

 

I believe we have outs in both CMCs and Robbie’s contracts after this year where we could make a clean break. That could help. If CMC plays like CMC and stays healthy it would be difficult to move on. Perhaps we could extend/restructure him to lower his hit? Sam with Robbie but he’s more expendable. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
joemac Grand Master

joemac

Posted
Posted
11 hours ago, Day1PanthersFan said:

Good or Bad, Mayfield won't be on this roster this time next year , he is here to rebuild his reputation so a more competitive team will pick him up, and if he doesn't work out he will be let go

Either way we wind up back with Sam and PJ 

How do you figure that? What if he helps build US into a more competitive team? What if we win 9 or 10 games this year and are in the playoff hunt till the very end? What if we make the playoffs? I think he would be just fine signing a new deal with us if the arrow is point up on us overall. Why wouldn’t he? And why wouldn’t we want to sign him? We’ve been playing the QB roulette game for years now and it freaking sucks. We need some damn stability for once there. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
top dawg Grand Master

top dawg

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, joemac said:

How do you figure that? What if he helps build US into a more competitive team? What if we win 9 or 10 games this year and are in the playoff hunt till the very end? What if we make the playoffs? I think he would be just fine signing a new deal with us if the arrow is point up on us overall. Why wouldn’t he? And why wouldn’t we want to sign him? We’ve been playing the QB roulette game for years now and it freaking sucks. We need some damn stability for once there. 

It may come down to money. That's why I really think that he's going to really have to show something. If he doesn't, his market will be lukewarm to cold. If he does--and I mean really ball out--then there could be bidding wars. In that case, we'll probably win if we want to. Baker will have to be the franchise QB that people thought that he could be though. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Jmac Grand Master

Jmac

Posted
  • Author
Posted
1 hour ago, top dawg said:

It may come down to money. That's why I really think that he's going to really have to show something. If he doesn't, his market will be lukewarm to cold. If he does--and I mean really ball out--then there could be bidding wars. In that case, we'll probably win if we want to. Baker will have to be the franchise QB that people thought that he could be though. 

NC is a good place to live as is Charlotte.  Not a big city, but up and coming. Once his family adjusts, he may just want to stay. If this team continues to improve and become a playoff caliber team....that may be the deciding factor (of course if they have the scratch to pay him.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LinvilleGorge Grand Master

LinvilleGorge

Posted
Posted
11 minutes ago, Jmac said:

NC is a good place to live as is Charlotte.  Not a big city, but up and coming. Once his family adjusts, he may just want to stay. If this team continues to improve and become a playoff caliber team....that may be the deciding factor (of course if they have the scratch to pay him.)

This type of stuff gets talked about all the time but the deciding factor is almost always $$$. Yeah, I get it. People who love Charlotte love Charlotte and I'm happy for them but it really doesn't offer anything that any other NFL city doesn't have too.

 

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
mrcompletely11 Grand Master

mrcompletely11

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If he balls out he'll be retained. No question. Just look around the NFL. If a team wants to sign someone the cap space appears. There's all kinds of creative ways to manage the cap.

For sure, but my concern is that probably means we will lose one of our stud defenders that will need a new deal coming up.   The ideal situation obviously is the cheat code of a rookie qb deal and they actually can play

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, top dawg said:

It may come down to money. That's why I really think that he's going to really have to show something. If he doesn't, his market will be lukewarm to cold. If he does--and I mean really ball out--then there could be bidding wars. In that case, we'll probably win if we want to. Baker will have to be the franchise QB that people thought that he could be though. 

He may benefit from a complete derth of quality FA QB's next offseason. Outside MAYBE Lamar Jackson, there is no high caliber FA QB in 2023.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him with a shorter term but expensive contract. Provided he plays well this season, of course.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Jackie Lee
      If you wanted Danny Dimes here’s the chance

      By Jackie Lee · Posted

      Strange, every news article and tweet I just searched all mentioned waivers. It is definitely his sixth year of at least 6 games. All I was trying to think of earlier was at the vet min could he beat out Bryce in camp next year lol. He's kinda got the old Darnold issue where he can obviously launch deep balls and qb run at a level Bryce will never achieve, but it sounds like he would be content being like a Josh Allen backup who doesn't throw the whole game plan out the window if he has to come in for a series or two. If we had him and for some reason still wanted to start Bryce he would kinda do what Justin Fields was doing the other night with Dangeruss, coming in for designed runs and maybe some play action/triple option rpo things to go deep. That would be so obvious and sad though. At least Russ can still sling it 40 yards in the air with a flick of the wrist
    • strato
      If you wanted Danny Dimes here’s the chance

      By strato · Posted

      Too late to edit above but the quote is from this Diane Russini article in the Athletic: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5941684/2024/11/23/russinis-what-im-hearing-the-day-the-jets-fell-apart-and-the-broncos-rallied-belichick-best-fits/ Okay.. there you have sorry I left that out the first post.  Also waivers keep the contract intact. That is the major difference in released and waived. It's all in that link from the other post.
    • strato
      If you wanted Danny Dimes here’s the chance

      By strato · Posted

      Okay so I am reading something in The Athletic and it says that Jones had to pass through waivers. So I don't know. I looked this stuff up when we were number one there all offseason and I thought it said 4 years in the league got you vested, as they call it.  Vested gets you out of waivers as I understood it. I probably got something wrong, but when I think about the slack quality of journalism these days I wonder about that. So I went and looked, again. Well, well.  For everyone: "When a player has accrued at least four seasons in the NFL, they are considered a vested veteran. When these vested veterans get cut, they are released and their contract is terminated. When a vested veteran is released, they are an unrestricted free agent that can sign with any NFL team, and the team that released them doesn’t need to provide any additional compensation." It runs it all down here, where the quotes came from: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/waived-vs-released-nfl/ As far as Jones, the team turned down his 5th year option so I knew that meant he had 4 years in, because they re-signed him anyway, after turning down the much cheaper extra year.  The Athletic is owned by the New York Times so I shouldn't be surprised. That paper was an institution once upon a time but they let their standards go.
×
×
  • Create New...