Joe Person: Panthers expected to name Baker Mayfield Week 1 starter.

[Snake]

I will believe it when I see it. 

[MasterAwesome]

1 minute ago, shaqattaq said:

I'm not going to say that Rhule is incapable of making good decisions, but he has set a precedent of making some bad ones. If a dog bites me a few times, it doesn't me he'll bite me every time, but I sure as hell ain't going to trust him enough to try to pet him.

Yeah that's fine and that's the type of stuff you would incorporate into Rhule's overall evaluation as to whether you think he's a good coach or not.  But you should still be able to separate your overall opinions of Rhule from your opinions on any individual action he takes.  I'm not arguing that we should blindly trust Rhule, I'm saying we should be objective and levelheaded enough to not let our opinion of Rhule poison our ability to evaluate an individual move beyond simply the person making it.  If Rhule traded a conditional 2029 7th round pick for Pat Mahomes, could we agree that's an awesome move?  Or would we pause and say "wait a second....this is Rhule we're talking about...nothing he does makes sense!  He must have gotten screwed somehow.  TERRIBLE MOVE!".

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

No his logic is Sam Darnold is a hellofa great quarterback compared to you.

Likewise Matt Rhule is a a hellofa great NFL coach compared to you.

Or, Marty Hurney sure is a hellfoa great GM compared to you.

Personally, I'm not sure how you got Sam Darnold must be a great quarterback with what he wrote. Did you not read it? Did you drop out after 3rd grade? I don't think what he wrote was hard to understand so I'm befuddled at your conclusion.

Setting aside the personal stuff, here's the thing...

Darnold doesn't have to be a better quarterback than me. he needs to be better than Baker Mayfield.

Rhule doesn't need to be better coach than me. he needs to be better than Bill Belichick...or whomever else we happen to be facing this week.

Marty Hurney doesn't need to be a better GM than me. he needs to be better than whoever the Commanders are facing this season.

We've been over the whole "they're professionals so they know more than you"  suggestion numerous times on this board, and it's always been found to be a silly argument for reasons like those stated above.

Being smarter than me or any other random fan is a pretty low bar to clear.

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I'm not going to say that Rhule is incapable of making good decisions, but he has set a precedent of making some bad ones. If a dog bites me a few times, it doesn't me he'll bite me every time, but I sure as hell ain't going to trust him enough to try to pet him.

Pretty much...

Matt Rhule's decision making has led us to pretty sad results. It'd be pretty hard to argue otherwise. That doesn't mean every single decision he's made was bad anymore than every playcall in a losing effort needing to be a terrible choice.

But when there are enough of them that you consistently don't get the results you want, well...

Can he get better? It's possible. Likewise, the aforementioned Sam Darnold could suddenly become a great quarterback and lead us to multiple victories.

A lot of us just don't see either of those things happening.

And logically, why should we?

[Luciu5]

18 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

If Rhule traded a conditional 2029 7th round pick for Pat Mahomes, could we agree that's an awesome move?  Or would we pause and say "wait a second....this is Rhule we're talking about...nothing he does makes sense!  He must have gotten screwed somehow.  TERRIBLE MOVE!".

No, no. Fitt did that.

[Luciu5]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Setting aside the personal stuff, here's the thing...

Darnold doesn't have to be a better quarterback than me. he needs to be better than Baker Mayfield.

Rhule doesn't need to be better coach than me. he needs to be better than Bill Belichick...or whomever else we happen to be facing this week.

Marty Hurney doesn't need to be a better GM than me. he needs to be better than whoever the Commanders are facing this season.

We've been over the whole "they're professionals so they know more than you"  suggestion numerous times on this board, and it's always been found to be a silly argument for reasons like those stated above.

Being smarter than me or any other random fan is a pretty low bar to clear.

Thing is, why did you respond to the side note at all? It just made you look dumb, imho. I don't disagree it's a bad argument, but you didn't address that and instead made a statement that made you look like you can't understand basic logic. It was an odd response from you.

[frankw]

56 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

This is a fuging fire post.. And if ppl would say before evaluating a move.. "I hate Rhule and everything he does so this is way I feel this way".. Instead of trying to hide behind some facade of expertise and non facts to poo on a move.. I can take there opinion more seriously...

Jmo

Did Chip Kelly have this many stans in the Eagles fanbase? Hell at least he actually won some games. Back to back five win seasons. Three divisional wins in two years. Matt Rhule doesn't need you to defend his honor he needs his team to perform better because he's been calling the shots.

[WOW!!]

30 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

No his logic is Sam Darnold is a hellofa great quarterback compared to you.

Likewise Matt Rhule is a a hellofa great NFL coach compared to you.

Or, Marty Hurney sure is a hellfoa great GM compared to you.

Personally, I'm not sure how you got Sam Darnold must be a great quarterback with what he wrote. Did you not read it? Did you drop out after 3rd grade? I don't think what he wrote was hard to understand so I'm befuddled at your conclusion.

This without the personal attacks..

Exactly..

Brian Scalabrine was a below avg. NBA but put up MJ numbers at the Ymca...  

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

Thing is, why did you respond to the side note at all? It just made you look dumb, imho. I don't disagree it's a bad argument, but you didn't address that and instead made a statement that made you look like you can't understand basic logic. It was an odd response from you.

Here's the exact quote...

Ppl poo on Tommy Wiseu for "The Room" and how bad it is.. But I got to give credit for the guy still making money off the worst movie ever made... They actually have nights still in movie theaters where ppl travel and pay to watch it.. So while you "think" you know this person and that person isn't good at something.. The fact that they've done it and got paid for it gives them more credibility then you..

So within this paragraph, there's an argument that someone can be considered good at something because they made money doing it, as well as the notion that you need to be an expert in that same field to know when someone does something poorly.

Both of those are really dumb arguments. I only addressed the first because frankly, I found that sufficient.

Now I've addressed both.

And also, thanks to the posts from guys like Wow and others, we're back to wasting time talking about the people doing the posting rather than the actual topic, just like what pissed off our mod @rayzoryesterday.

Sheesh

Edited August 18, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[WOW!!]

42 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I'm not going to say that Rhule is incapable of making good decisions, but he has set a precedent of making some bad ones. If a dog bites me a few times, it doesn't me he'll bite me every time, but I sure as hell ain't going to trust him enough to try to pet him.

I can agree with this and don't have a problem if you base your criticism on this..

But when ppl try to fake expertise on how to run a TC and rep Distribution.. As the base of their criticism.. I'm asking them what is your creditable experience on the subject. ..

(What was the rep Distribution for this player and that player..

How was TC run for this team and that team..)

Show your work!!

[WOW!!]

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

Did Chip Kelly have this many stans in the Eagles fanbase? Hell at least he actually won some games. Back to back five win seasons. Three divisional wins in two years. Matt Rhule doesn't need you to defend his honor he needs his team to perform better because he's been calling the shots.

And then the comeback is 

"YOU MUST BE A RHULE FAN" BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH MY OPINION " DUH DUH DUH!@

Instead of backing your poo up with actually facts and valid points...

Lmao

[WOW!!]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's the exact quote...

Ppl poo on Tommy Wiseu for "The Room" and how bad it is.. But I got to give credit for the guy still making money off the worst movie ever made... They actually have nights still in movie theaters where ppl travel and pay to watch it.. So while you "think" you know this person and that person isn't good at something.. The fact that they've done it and got paid for it gives them more credibility then you..

So within this paragraph, there's an argument that someone can be considered good at something because they made money doing it, as well as the notion that you need to be an expert in that same field to know when someone does something poorly.

Both of those are really dumb arguments. I only addressed the first because frankly, I found that sufficient.

Now I've addressed both.

And also, thanks to the posts from guys like Wow and others, we're back to wasting time talking about the people doing the posting rather than the actual topic, just like what pissed off our mod @rayzoryesterday.

Sheesh

No the point is other then "I can see this because I've watch football for 50 years" and By my watching football I can see he isn't good"

Instead actual data and information to Express why this move or that move is wrong...

You're basically saying "Rhule made the move so its wrong.. And I know this because I watch football"..

 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

4 hours ago, hepcat said:

I’ve seen it mentioned that they did the “competition” because Sam is well liked by some of the players including our favorite meathead Christian McCaffrey.

It was all about saving face, really 

[WOW!!]

45 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Yeah that's fine and that's the type of stuff you would incorporate into Rhule's overall evaluation as to whether you think he's a good coach or not.  But you should still be able to separate your overall opinions of Rhule from your opinions on any individual action he takes.  I'm not arguing that we should blindly trust Rhule, I'm saying we should be objective and levelheaded enough to not let our opinion of Rhule poison our ability to evaluate an individual move beyond simply the person making it.  If Rhule traded a conditional 2029 7th round pick for Pat Mahomes, could we agree that's an awesome move?  Or would we pause and say "wait a second....this is Rhule we're talking about...nothing he does makes sense!  He must have gotten screwed somehow.  TERRIBLE MOVE!".