Training Camp Wednesday 8-10 Discussion

[ladypanther]

1 minute ago, musicman said:

I (hope/wonder) if Matt doesn't do so well, everybody won't want him to start or be the main back up. I actually think having Sam as the back up (if not traded) is smart. You gotta pay him anyway. Matt should be red shirted. It did some young QBs good in the NFL getting mental reps, developing without getting the crap kicked out of you. I hope he's our starter in 2023 unless Baker jumps into the top 5 QB rankings, but that will cost us big time.

Just look at how KC handled Mahomes, who was a much higher draft pick and is obviously a very good QB. That model worked pretty well.  I think that as long as the team avoids major injuries, Baker will lead the team to a few more wins.  Then, if needed can give him a tag year and let Coral be the #2. Unless of course, the staff thinks Coral is ready.

[Steelo Senpai]

2 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Just look at how KC handled Mahomes, who was a much higher draft pick and is obviously a very good QB. That model worked pretty well.  I think that as long as the team avoids major injuries, Baker will lead the team to a few more wins.  Then, if needed can give him a tag year and let Coral be the #2. Unless of course, the staff thinks Coral is ready.

Tags are expensive, and keep going up thanks in no part to certain FOs resetting the market.  It may be better and more team friendly to get him on a 2/3 year deal with a low cap hit.  Franchise tag for qb is 29.70 M THIS season, with Lamar looking for a deal yet, Murrays new deal and Watson to name a few its going to go up a bit.

[kungfoodude]

43 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I’m here waiting for pics of Matt Corral and his big dong 

@TheSpecialJuan???

[hepcat]

9 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

My guitar picking friend, you must have had too much to drink last night.  I know you meant ...and his big dog.  I didn't know they were allowed to bring their pets to camp.

everyone missed the joke since these threads have been nothing but matt corral slurp fests since training camp started!!!

[Jackie Lee]

 

[TheCasillas]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Perhaps, but there's nothing to prevent you from simply saying "no" if he isn't.

As my friend told me when talking to the media “if you don’t acknowledge it, then they can’t do anything with it”

he is a show writer for SNL. He doesn’t personally deal with the media but works with a poo load of people who do.

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

As my friend told me when talking to the media “if you don’t acknowledge it, then they can’t do anything with it”

he is a show writer for SNL. He doesn’t personally deal with the media but works with a poo load of people who do.

Media these days, I've found regardless of what you say...or don't say, something can most definitely be done with it.

The one thing I'd point out here though is that given the organizational structure David Tepper put in place, Rhule's status isn't Fitterer's decision.

He may be asked his input on it, or he may not. Either way, he's being asked to comment on something that's not his call.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[Proudiddy]

Re: Baker and Matt - My take is, I'm excited about Baker this year.  I'm excited about Matt ingeneral, especially for the future as he has time to develop while Baker runs things this season, at least.  I dont know what happens after this year.  I have a feeling that Matt can be, and may be really, really special.  He has some abilities and tools, and characteristics, that just can't be taught.  The release, great arm strength/zip, moxie, leadership, and athleticism.  Those things, as-is, might be the best in our QB room right now.  He has already flashed in limited opportunities more than any other rookie QB we've had outside of Cam, and maybe Kerry Collins, but I'm not 100% sure about Collins because I was a kid with limited access to reports and such due to the internet not really being a thing then.  My impression from back then was that Collins was not all that impressive, and honestly, I even felt that way when he played.  Regardless, before I derail myself, my point being, he has shown promise that 99.9% of the time had already been extinguished at this point of the offseason with any other rookie QBs we've had, not named Cam.  There's an electricity to him, and you can feel it just watching him and watching the clips from practice.  There's something special about him...  and I say all of that to say, that why I don't know where things go next season.  I think Baker is capable of being a Top 15, possibly top 10 QB in the league.  For stretches, he has actually put up top 10 numbers, and I think it's possible for him to sustain that, and thus, I think he could lead us to the playoffs in any given year.  He's a really good QB.  But, that "it" factor, and the natural talent that Corral possesses...  I just don't know how long you can hold that off.  It really is so very similar to what happened with Smith and Mahomes.  I think Baker is a slightly better version of Smith because of the potential for deep passes and big plays...  but they're both winners and leaders.  And just like Mahomes, Corral possesses certain things that just can't be taught, and if he develops the mental part of the game, you can't stop them from "ascending" to the top, as McAdoo said he is currently doing.  And as i said yesterday, if agendas are thrown aside, and had Baker not been acquired, I'm fairly certain Corral would be the starter as a rookie.  It is a good problem to have, and it's going to be interesting to watch unfold.

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

WR 5th-6th spot battle. Shi, Zylstra, Saunders, Rambo. Have also heard Derek Wrights name come up a lot making plays

Amazing how far Charleston Rambo has fallen. From great Oklahoma wide receiver to training camp fodder.

[Mr. Scot]

McAdoo on the left, Mayfield in the hat and Darnold in the cap, can't quite tell who the dude with the hair is

[Panthers Rhule]

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Re: Baker and Matt - My take is, I'm excited about Baker this year.  I'm excited about Matt ingeneral, especially for the future as he has time to develop while Baker runs things this season, at least.  I dont know what happens after this year.  I have a feeling that Matt can be, and may be really, really special.  He has some abilities and tools, and characteristics, that just can't be taught.  The release, great arm strength/zip, moxie, leadership, and athleticism.  Those things, as-is, might be the best in our QB room right now.  He has already flashed in limited opportunities more than any other rookie QB we've had outside of Cam, and maybe Kerry Collins, but I'm not 100% sure about Collins because I was a kid with limited access to reports and such due to the internet not really being a thing then.  My impression from back then was that Collins was not all that impressive, and honestly, I even felt that way when he played.  Regardless, before I derail myself, my point being, he has shown promise that 99.9% of the time had already been extinguished at this point of the offseason with any other rookie QBs we've had, not named Cam.  There's an electricity to him, and you can feel it just watching him and watching the clips from practice.  There's something special about him...  and I say all of that to say, that why I don't know where things go next season.  I think Baker is capable of being a Top 15, possibly top 10 QB in the league.  For stretches, he has actually put up top 10 numbers, and I think it's possible for him to sustain that, and thus, I think he could lead us to the playoffs in any given year.  He's a really good QB.  But, that "it" factor, and the natural talent that Corral possesses...  I just don't know how long you can hold that off.  It really is so very similar to what happened with Smith and Mahomes.  I think Baker is a slightly better version of Smith because of the potential for deep passes and big plays...  but they're both winners and leaders.  And just like Mahomes, Corral possesses certain things that just can't be taught, and if he develops the mental part of the game, you can't stop them from "ascending" to the top, as McAdoo said he is currently doing.  And as i said yesterday, if agendas are thrown aside, and had Baker not been acquired, I'm fairly certain Corral would be the starter as a rookie.  It is a good problem to have, and it's going to be interesting to watch unfold.

Paragraphs are your friends.

[CPcavedweller]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Perhaps, but there's nothing to prevent you from simply saying "no" if he isn't.

Mr. Scot, everyone is under a mandate to perform, whether you're a janitor, in a marriage contract, engaged, a child in school, or an NFL Head Coach. There are expectations for everyone and more specifically, goals to reach. So to say "no" would be a lie as I'm sure they have goals to reach.

The correct answer would've been what he gave, along with "I won't give our seasons goals" because they likely don't align with what Panthers fans would like to see. They know the reality of the roster.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Panthers Rhule said:

Paragraphs are your friends.

That depends on who's writing them

[Steelo Senpai]

3 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Re: Baker and Matt - My take is, I'm excited about Baker this year.  I'm excited about Matt ingeneral, especially for the future as he has time to develop while Baker runs things this season, at least.  I dont know what happens after this year.  I have a feeling that Matt can be, and may be really, really special.  He has some abilities and tools, and characteristics, that just can't be taught.  The release, great arm strength/zip, moxie, leadership, and athleticism.  Those things, as-is, might be the best in our QB room right now.  He has already flashed in limited opportunities more than any other rookie QB we've had outside of Cam, and maybe Kerry Collins, but I'm not 100% sure about Collins because I was a kid with limited access to reports and such due to the internet not really being a thing then.  My impression from back then was that Collins was not all that impressive, and honestly, I even felt that way when he played.  Regardless, before I derail myself, my point being, he has shown promise that 99.9% of the time had already been extinguished at this point of the offseason with any other rookie QBs we've had, not named Cam.  There's an electricity to him, and you can feel it just watching him and watching the clips from practice.  There's something special about him...  and I say all of that to say, that why I don't know where things go next season.  I think Baker is capable of being a Top 15, possibly top 10 QB in the league.  For stretches, he has actually put up top 10 numbers, and I think it's possible for him to sustain that, and thus, I think he could lead us to the playoffs in any given year.  He's a really good QB.  But, that "it" factor, and the natural talent that Corral possesses...  I just don't know how long you can hold that off.  It really is so very similar to what happened with Smith and Mahomes.  I think Baker is a slightly better version of Smith because of the potential for deep passes and big plays...  but they're both winners and leaders.  And just like Mahomes, Corral possesses certain things that just can't be taught, and if he develops the mental part of the game, you can't stop them from "ascending" to the top, as McAdoo said he is currently doing.  And as i said yesterday, if agendas are thrown aside, and had Baker not been acquired, I'm fairly certain Corral would be the starter as a rookie.  It is a good problem to have, and it's going to be interesting to watch unfold.

I think given all his tools and gifts, he's just too raw this year to really believe he could start.  I think it would do more harm than good, but putting Sam back out there another year was borderline insanity.  Giving him the year to build his body and mind will do him good, next offseason let him get after it.