Don't fire Fox, just cut Delhomme.

[PantherDude]

Sorry hepcats, but I'm going to have to politely disagree with you on this. Fox isn't the QB, but he seem to be pushing Jake to be the starter & this is why he is struggling. When a QB like Jake struggle & the coach continue to push him to stay at the starter, it's not going to be pretty & we all saw what happend. Fox should bench Jake like he did with Peete & Weinke when he put Jake in 6 yrs. ago against the Jags. He shouldn't have any problem doing that again, but sadly he didn't. Again the problem is more on Fox than Jake.

[The Faceless]

Fox AND Jake need to go. Fox should have had some sort of clue Jake has lost it and for whatever reason, keeps trotting a broken man out there and it is rather sad actually.

[Jangler]

There are people above Fox, who can over ride what he wants and tell him to bench Jake...should they be fired too?

But we don't want to be the Raiders east. I don't want JR telling the coach what to do. But there should come a time when he needs to make a suggestion. And that suggestion needs to come today.

[Lumps]

But we don't want to be the Raiders east. I don't want JR telling the coach what to do. But there should come a time when he needs to make a suggestion. And that suggestion needs to come today.

I totally agree, I don't want JR to babysit Fox either. But just sitting there and taking it in the ass isn't giving Fox the reality check he needs. How can anyone above Fox sit there and let this continue?

the problem is that we cant cut Delhomme without firing Fox b/c Fox has made it clear he has NO intention on benching Delhomme

and a coach that cant bench one player even if it kills the team is a coach I dont want

This is kind of my point, no one needs to ask Fox who he wants to bring in/play etc etc....Someone needs to tell Fox who is starting at QB and thats the way its going to be, clearly Fox is incapable of doing this himself.

If I was JR, I would've started Moore after the Bills game, and if that were the case I would bet my life we'd be sitting on a better record.

If Fox started Jake the rest of the year I would blame the overhead, someone needs to take control of this circus of a team. The Raiders aren't the only team the 'overhead' had to get involved, look a thte titans. Fisher wanted to keep is 0-7 QB, overhead said "oh, f**k no", now they are 5-7 winning 5 in a row.

Please someone step in...please dear god...

[hepcat]

I don't think you need to look any further than Tampa Bay to see why we shouldn't fire Fox. They went from playoff contender to basement dweller because they let go of Gruden, who should have never been let go. He continually propped up an aging and sub-talent Tampa team with solid coaching and leadership. I'm not saying Fox is doing that here, because our talent level is Superbowl caliber, but you can't just fire a the coach because the team is underperforming. And underperforming is stretching it because the defense, even with the injuries, has been rock solid almost all year (with a few exceptions here and there). And many could make the arguement that Deangelo Williams is the best back in the league. Lots of talent here, and this team has done well.

The only reason this team has a losing records is TURNOVERS - and that falls squarely on Delhomme. If Fox starts Delhomme next week against Tampa, I'll take a sip of that koolade because he's off his rocker to start Delhomme again. It's a great chance for Moore to start against the weak Bucs. If he starts and wins, he should ride out the season. If he struggles and loses to the 1-10 Bucs (who got beat by Chris Redman for Christ sake), Delhomme should be put back in. Either way, no way Delhomme should see the field next week, and no way should we fire Fox....yet.

[monstercat]

They're both gone after this season. Hurney will be gone too. I just don't see any way around it this time.