More behind the scenes info on the Mayfield trade

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, poundaway said:

Are you ok?

I'm having a great time

FYI though: Rhule did decide he's willing to stoop down and talk to the media today

 

[Jackie Lee]

poundaway's favorite guy is talking in an hour

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

poundaway's favorite guy is talking in an hour

 

Thanks for adding that. The previous tweet didn't give a specific time.

[The Lobo]

This feels eerily similar to trading for Darnold. Both instances coaches watched tape and talked them selves into getting him. Obviously Mayfield is better than Darnold, but reading that feels kind of similar.  

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, poundaway said:

Or Rhule just chose that he didn't want to deal with the press. 

He fired his OC, so he had to replace that.  As for the other staff, some were fired and others left of their own accord. 

It doesn't matter, you're going to believe whatever you want anyway.

Yes, which is exactly what you also choose to do.  You failed to see the irony of your SpongeBob post.   Yet you take issue when others do the same.  
 

*he fired his OC not to make the offense better in 2021 though….to take heat off himself because the raging booing fans demanded action and Brady was all he could give. 

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

This feels eerily similar to trading for Darnold. Both instances coaches watched tape and talked them selves into getting him. Obviously Mayfield is better than Darnold, but reading that feels kind of similar.  

The cost was right for the acquisition. If we gave up a future 5th and only paid $5 million for Sam without extending him, I would have been ok. Still should have drafted Fields though IMO.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Our buddy Ellis for one.

Heck, even Gantt addressed the question (I think in one of his Ask the Old Guy columns) confirming at the time that Rhule does still have final say but has been asked/suggested to listen more to those around him.

That's not really diminished authority, it's smart leadership. Willingness to adapt due to the situation is not a bad thing.

Edited July 25, 2022 by top dawg

[bruceleeroy]

I don’t care what this says, Baker didn’t eat millions of dollars to come compete for a job.  It’s his job and he was told that.  They aren’t going to publicly admit it.

[Luciu5]

18 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

This feels eerily similar to trading for Darnold. Both instances coaches watched tape and talked them selves into getting him. Obviously Mayfield is better than Darnold, but reading that feels kind of similar.  

 

10 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

The cost was right for the acquisition. If we gave up a future 5th and only paid $5 million for Sam without extending him, I would have been ok. Still should have drafted Fields though IMO.

Yep, exactly this. This is what the Darnold trade should have looked like. Take a shot on a cheap trade and take a shot in the draft. Take more shots. The strategy overall that they are doing at QB is sound, the implementation (last offseason) has been questionable. ESPECIALLY picking up Darnold's 5th year option. That's my main complaint with that trade.

[MHS831]

If Baker plays and has a good year, he is going to seek $40-50m.

I say, in that case, we tag him and see how well Corral is developing.  If Baker has a good year 2 here, you should pay him.

I was talking to my brother-in-law--a chiropractor from columbus, Ohio--and he said they liked Baker in Ohio because he was the first successful QB (2020) in some time and his blue collar chip on the shoulder was a good fit for the dog pound.  He said we got a good deal-Baker was hurt in 2021 and there were coaching issues as well as some locker room issues that bent him sideways.  Said he could be really good with a new team and some new maturity.  He thinks this may have humbled him, but he has been proving himself his entire life--don't bet against him.  Said Darnold is soft and the next Joey Harrington with a Sam Bradford upside...Said he was certain we'd draft Fields last year.  I said, "But we had all our eggs in the Darnold basket."

Edited July 25, 2022 by MHS831

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Where can one watch Mr. Rhule...at 12:30? 

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's not really diminished authority, it's smart leadership. Willingness to adapt due to the situation is not a bad thing.

Reports have also said Rhule won’t be unhappy when he leaves.    It’s not all one sided in terms of rumorville.  None suggest a happy and well run org.  More an unhappy marriage with a typical public face IMO…which there really is no other way to handle it. 

[rippadonn]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

From Albert Breer (MMQB)

A key to the Baker Mayfield deal getting done was that the Panthers basically got three weeks of runway to talk to him before Cleveland and Carolina consummated the deal. Browns GM Andrew Berry initially gave the Panthers’ brass permission to talk to Mayfield as soon as the sides came to a basic agreement on compensation (a 2024 fifth-round pick that becomes a fourth-rounder if Mayfield plays 70% of the snaps this season), which was the week of Carolina’s veteran minicamp in June. From there, coach Matt Rhule talked football with the quarterback, while GM Scott Fitterer kept him abreast of the business side of it, while emphasizing to him that he’d have to earn the job, but that this would be the best place, alongside guys like Christian McCaffrey and D.J. Moore, to bet on himself.

By then, whereas Fitterer and Rhule were once lukewarm on the idea of trading for Mayfield, a closer look at his 2020 tape, with the acknowledgment that his ’21 was sideways, got the Panthers believing that just as this could be a really great opportunity for the player, it was going to be a pretty good swing for the team to take, too. Add that on to conversations Rhule had with Mayfield’s college coach, Lincoln Riley, and the logic is that, with Mayfield in a competition with Sam Darnold and Matt Corral, the Panthers get three good swings at getting the position fixed, with Mayfield helping to provide a higher floor at the position than they had last year.

And because they’ve been talking with him for a while—those conversations also helped to convince Mayfield to take a little less money (another bet on himself) to make the trade happen—there’s a pretty good feeling, or at least a better one, that they know what they’re getting in a player who’s pretty well-known for his reaction to those who slight him.

"with Mayfield in a competition with Sam Darnold and Matt Corral, the Panthers get three good swings at getting the position fixed, with Mayfield helping to provide a higher floor at the position than they had last year."

OK, I thought Fitt was the adult in the room. The notion is so stupid it's not even funny. They have absolutely no f'n idea what they're doing. It's obvious.No leadership no direction just "optionality" with two obvious crap options and the hope for the future being put on training wheels in favor of NFL has beens. Lol. Clueless.

 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

"with Mayfield in a competition with Sam Darnold and Matt Corral, the Panthers get three good swings at getting the position fixed, with Mayfield helping to provide a higher floor at the position than they had last year."

OK, I thought Fitt was the adult in the room. The notion is so stupid it's not even funny. They have absolutely no f'n idea what they're doing. It's obvious.No leadership no direction just "optionality" with two obvious crap options and the hope for the future being put on training wheels in favor of NFL has beens. Lol. Clueless.

 

When you are on the hotseat….you will throw anything against the wall you can.    That’s why Rhule pretends and has this being a competition.  Because he likely will quickly go to musical chair QB rotation to save face and buy time.   Gives him the “it’s totally the QB” angle.