Baker Mayfield doesn't have a "top 64 arm"?

[ThPantherFan]

8 hours ago, Waldo said:

There should be a fine for talking heads BSing 

I can go for that.

[pantherj]

This guys opinion about Baker is pure trash. Here is some data:

Name, College, NFL Team – Ball Velocity in MPH
Josh Allen Wyoming 62 

Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, Bills (TE) - 60
Bryan Bennet, SE Louisiana, CFL- 60
Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech, Chiefs- 60
****************Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, Browns 60******************

Jacob Eason, Washington- 59
Jake Luton, Oregon State- 59
Steven Montez, Colorado- 59 
Davis Webb, California, Jets- 59
Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State, free agent– 59
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada, free agent- 59
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State, Vikings- 59
Zac Dysert, Miami (OH), free agent- 59
Tyler Bray, Tennessee, Bears- 59
Stephen Morris, Miami, free agent- 59
Paxton Lynch, Memphis, Seahawks- 59

Jared Goff, California, Rams - 58
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas, free agent- 58
Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi, free agent- 58

Kevin Davidson, Princeton- 57
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State, Eagles- 57
Nick Foles, Arizona, Bears- 57
Mark Sanchez, USC, free agent- 57
Josh Freeman, Kansas State, Free Agent - 57
Chase Daniels, Missouri, Bears- 57
Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois, free agent- 57
Tom Savage, Pittsburgh, free agent- 57
Sean Mannion, Oregon State, Vikings- 57
Brandon Bridge, South Alabama, free agent - 57

DeShon Kizer, Notre Dame, Packers- 56
Andy Dalton, TCU, Bengals - 56
Cam Newton, Auburn, Panthers - 56
Colt McCoy, Texas, Redskins- 56 (recorded in a private workout with a radar gun & computer chip in the football)
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse, free agent– 56
Curtis Painter, Purdue, free agent- 56
Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, free agent - 56
Patrick Devlin, Delaware, free agent- 56
Josh Woodrum, Liberty, free agent- 56
Blake Bortles, Central Florida, Rams- 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois, 49ers- 56
Marcus Mariota, Oregon, Titans - 56
Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State, Colts- 56
Jeff Mathews, Cornell, free agent - 56
Keith Wenning, Ball State, Giants - 56
Joel Stave, Wisconsin, Chiefs - 56
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State, free agent- 56
Anthony Boone, Duke, free agent - 56

Justin Herbert, Oregon- 55
Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina, Bears- 55
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech, TBD - 55
Trevor Knight, Texan A&M, AAF- 55
Jameis Winston, Florida State, Buccaneers - 55
Joe Flacco, Delaware, Broncos- 55
Geno Smith, West Virginia, Chargers- 55
CJ Beathard, Iowa, 49ers- 55
Trevon Boykin, TCU, Seahawks - 55
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin, Seahawks - 55
Brandon Allen, Arkansas, Jaguars - 55
Cody Kessler, USC, Browns - 55
Cody Fajardo, Nevada, free agent - 55
Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois, free agent - 55
Casey Keenum, Houston, Redskins- 55
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas, free agent - 55
Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin, free agent- 55

James Morgan, Florida International- 54
Jordan Love, Utah State- 54
Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma- 54
Nate Stanley, Iowa - 54
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State, Cowboys - 54
Tajh Boyd, Clemson, free agent - 54
Bryn Renner, North Carolina, free agent - 54
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana, Eagles- 54
Jake Locker, Washington, free agent- 54
EJ Manuel, Florida State, Chiefs- 54
Matthew Scott, Arizona, free agent - 54

Jake Fromm, Georgia- 53 
Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, Raiders- 53
Brad Kaaya, Miami, Bengals- 53
David Fales, San Jose State, free agent- 53
AJ McCarron, Alabama, free agent- 53
Brett Hundley, UCLA, Cardinals- 53
Kevin Hogan, Stanford, free agent- 53
Brandon Doughty, Western Kentucky, free agent- 53
Vernon Adams, Oregon, free agent - 53
Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, TBD - 53
Bryce Petty, Baylor, free agent- 53
Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M, free agent- 53
Landry Jones, Oklahoma, free agent- 53
Chad Henne, Michigan, Chiefs- 53
Stephen McGee, Texas A & M - 53

********************Sam Darnold - 52********************************

Anthony Gordon, Washington State- 52 
Shane Carden, Eastern Carolina, free agent, 52
Jeff Driskel, Louisiana Tech, Bengals - 52
Seth Russell, Baylor, TBD - 52
Graham Harrell, Texas Tech, free agent - 52
Pat White, West Virginia, free agent - 52
Kellen Moore, Boise State, coaching- 52
TJ Yates, North Carolina, free agent - 52
Michael Kafka, Northwestern, free agent - 52
Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St., free agent - 52
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State, free agent - 52

Brian Lewerke, Michigan State- 51
Cole McDonald, Hawaii- 51
Shea Patterson, Michigan - 51
Josh Dobbs, Tennessee, Steelers-51
Jerry Lovelocke, Praire View A&M, free agent - 51
Christian Ponder, Florida St, free agent - 51
Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech, free agent - 51

Matt Flynn, LSU, free agent -- 50
John Skelton, Fordham, free agent - 50
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa, free agent - 50
Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech, Chargers- 50
Connor Cook, Michigan, free agent- 50
Connor Shaw, South Carolina, free agent- 50
Nick Marshall, Auburn, free agent- 50

Deshaun Watson, Clemson, Texans- 49
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State, Raiders- 49
Josh Johnson, San Diego, Redskins- 49
Kelly Bryant, Missouri- 47
Sefo Liufau, Colorado, TBD - 46
Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, Cowboys- 46
Blake Sims, Alabama, free agent - 42 

Edited July 20, 2022 by pantherj

[Actionman0z]

9 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

It's really sad how MANY shows / media members have this take and push this narrative, it's usually where I tune out anything they have to say as well.

People act like we still have Joe Brady, or Matt Rhules roommate as the OC and the offense hasn't changed COMPLETELY. Now if someone had the take that Darnold has a ''headstart'' with the NEW OFFENSE under McAdoo I could at least respect that. 

But acting like Darnold KNOWS the new offense in comparison to Mayfield is a lazy / uneducated take, and it sucks because no one in the media / ESPN / NFLN etc. even care enough to do that much work. It's just been broad sweeping ''GENERAL'' takes, and any casual fan would also become misinformed. 

The other thing that is crazy and I've even seen this from Browns fans, they act like he didn't helpw turn that organization around on the field -- they were 1-31 before drafting baker. He went 29/30 in his starts. I'm not a Baker fan, or apologist but it's common sense to see he had a huge impact on that team. 

People act like OBJ / Landry were some  kind of set the world on fire duo, OBJ was coming off an injury, and Landry is a volume receiver underneath primarily. Most people can't even name the other WR's they had (Perryman, Higgins, Peoples-Jones, and Callaway) none are marquee. OBJ / Landry are more names than anything to me, not saying they aren't good, but Moore at this point has proven to be better than OBJ, and I'd take Robbie over Landry when he's the 2019 / 2020 version (1900+ receiving those two years).

People also give the defense a ton of praise, but they were ranked off the top of my head in the 20s the year they went to the playoffs. Baker is a clear upgrade to Sam, that simple. 

 

The last line makes you just as lazy and uneducated unless you provide evidence. Not disagreeing with you, just saying. 

[Barney]

18 hours ago, Waldo said:

His arm isn't his issue, that sits between his ears.

There should be a fine for talking heads BSing about sports stuff that they obviously know nothing about. Like a bucket of slime they used to dump on kids back in the day. Maybe just go with an IDK and pass it over to someone else. 

He in lies the the difference between terrible,  good and great with NFL quarterbacks.  We have seen it time and time again over the years.  We've seen guys with incredible arms tank and we've seen guys with so so arms become great by their ability to process what they are seeing and make great plays.  

[Wolfman]

18 hours ago, Zod said:

All NFL backups have a better arm?

 

 

You guys can believe this moron if you want. You will always have Mayfield haters. Maybe it's his cocky attitude...I don't know, for sure. All I can say, is that the ones who hate him the most are the fans of the Ravens, the Steelers, and the Bengals. As a Browns' fan, I had to deal with the remarks of Colin Cowherd since Mayfield was drafted. Cowherd may be gloating at the moment, but there were many times over the last 4 seasons, that he had to eat his words. Baker may have a few ego problems, and he lets the media get under his skin, but to say what this guy is saying...well...he must be desperate followers.

[weyco2000]

10 hours ago, pantherj said:

Deshaun Watson, Clemson, Texans- 49

Is this women or actually velocity?

[JARROD]

Don’t feed the hack writers, don’t feed the hack writers, don’t feed the hack writers. The point is the click. The more hate the better. 

don’t click ever.‘I stopped totally.

[poundaway]

11 hours ago, Actionman0z said:

The last line makes you just as lazy and uneducated unless you provide evidence. Not disagreeing with you, just saying. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm

21st in PA

[TheCasillas]

11 minutes ago, poundaway said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm

21st in PA

[PootieNunu]

Its dumb to have an opinion on something that can be proven or disproven with stats. It is even dumber to express that opinion on TV. 

Baker might not have everything you want in a QB, but he for sure has a big arm. 

Edited July 20, 2022 by PootieNunu

[SizzleBuzz]

On 7/19/2022 at 12:58 PM, joemac said:

This dude has got CTE or some poo.  This is maybe the most absurd take I have ever seen from a so-called "expert".  Like WTF?  I seem to recall Baker having like top 5 velocity on his passes coming out of the combine.  I think they test those kinda things now, and Mayfield was elite. 

Amazes that they’d give a complete moron a microphone and then allow him to waste valuable air time with such complete nonsense .

[Sgt Schultz]

5 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

Is this women or actually velocity?

Has to be velocity.  It seems too low for women.

[onmyown]

Arm talent? Who fuging cares? Darnold has an impressive arm. And yet he’s trash. That isn’t the issue because that isn’t what makes a QB. In fact it’s not even top of the list. Just dumb. I think Baker will be trash too but it’s be nice to hear some quality analysis instead of look at me throw this pile of poo and get clicks from the masses.

[1of10Charnatives]

Remember kids, being an armchair TV football "expert" isn't actually about knowing the game or the teams or the players. It's about having a strong jawline, good profile, clean skin, and if you're white, the right hair.  The only time I tend to listen to talking heads on tv is when they aren't particularly attractive people. That's when you know they're there for their actual knowledge.

 

Or they blew someone in management.