MC9's skill set is greater than Baker's.

[top dawg]

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The fact you think I am drinking any sort of Kool Aid shows how emotionally invested in this strange rant you are making.

Feel free to check any and all Baker Mayfield statements from about February onward. They don't match anything close to the scenario you are inventing in your head.

Furthermore, the incredibly strange hissy fit about the "disrespect" for a 3rd round QB that was literally the #2 QB on the roster through minicamp is profoundly odd.

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of the board wanted to see Corral start over Darnold, right? I mean...there were multiple threads about this.

Strange "hissy fit"? I indeed believe that Corral will be better than Baker at some point. I do believe that he indeed has a superior skill set (whether you like it or not), but I guess that you and a few others can't detect when someone says something that may not be totally true, but have elements of truth to it just to get a reaction. 

I am well aware that there are Huddlers who have wanted to see Corral be named the starter as soon as he was drafted. Most of them probably just don't want to see Darnold again under any circumstances (which is understandable), and some believe that we should put a rookie QB out there to see what he's got, regardless if he's genuinely ready to make the transition to the pros or not (which I also get). I don't fundamentally believe in that philosophy. Both of those groups probably are a little too exuberant in wanting to throw Corral into the mix. So calling for Corral is not a surprise. But these folks likely genuinely believe that Corral is intriguing, if not downright special. That being said, then you have the group that doesn't think Corral is anything special (at all really) and let their true spots show once we acquired a highly questionable Mayfield. They don't even recognize Corral's talent (potential and upside), or the fact that he is still our future QB, much less acknowledge it. They overlook him, have overlooked him, and even compare him negatively to Mayfield with some unsubstantiated-- bordering on outlandish--claims before the kid has even had his day. Well, whatever! Get with the fuging program!

 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Strange "hissy fit"? I indeed believe that Corral will be better than Baker at some point. I do believe that he indeed has a superior skill set (whether you like it or not), but I guess that you and a few others can't detect when someone says something that may not be totally true, but have elements of truth to it just to get a reaction. 

I am well aware that there are Huddlers who have wanted to see Corral be named the starter as soon as he was drafted. Most of them probably just don't want to see Darnold again under any circumstances (which is understandable), and some believe that we should put a rookie QB out there to see what he's got, regardless if he's genuinely ready to make the transition to the pros or not (which I also get). I don't fundamentally believe in that philosophy. Both of those groups probably are a little too exuberant in wanting to throw Corral into the mix. So calling for Corral is not a surprise. But these folks likely genuinely believe that Corral is intriguing, if not downright special. That being said, then you have the group that doesn't think Corral is anything special (at all really) and let their true spots show once we acquired a highly questionable Mayfield. They don't even recognize Corral's talent (potential and upside), or the fact that he is still our future QB, much less acknowledge it. They overlook him, have overlooked him, and even compare him negatively to Mayfield with some unsubstantiated-- bordering on outlandish--claims before the kid has even had his day. Well, whatever! Get with the fuging program!

 

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, rippadonn said:

No. Panthers have been to the Superbowl 2 times in 2003, 2015, had a 15-1 season, NFC Championships. Come come now.

Stop it.

Trade one of those super bowl loses for a NFC champ loss (a single game) and you basically have the Jets, even within a seasons worth of games W/L % wise. There is no a team closer in resemblance in these factors than the Jets other than maybe the Jags.

Do you think the Jets and Jags are decent teams?

Not being the Browns isn’t a plus. Neither is literally only having a few teams to say that about.

The Panthers barley squeeze out of the bottom 5…of 32 teams all things considered, since 1995.

I mean yea we aren’t 32-27 so I guess there’s that.

 

Edited July 13, 2022 by onmyown

[Tr3ach]

14 hours ago, top dawg said:

Did you get a gander at my earlier post with Corral at the QB competition throwing 77 yards? Yeah, it wasn't a game, but still. 

I would bet that Mayfield can't test better than Corral in anything pertaining to athletic ability. The 40, long jump, vertical jump, lifts, anything. And I'm being dead serious.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/video-5-star-sec-target-matt-corral-throws-77-yard-pass-opening/amp/

People overrate physical traits all the time when it comes to qb.  Most of the difference between an average QB and a great qb is between the ears.  Not how fast they are or how far they throw it.  There arent many times the best qb equals the best athlete.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

People overrate physical traits all the time when it comes to qb.  Most of the difference between an average QB and a great qb is between the ears.  Not how fast they are or how far they throw it.  There arent many times the best qb equals the best athlete.

Exactly. 

Hence why guys like Baker Mayfield don't always pan out. It's between the ears that matters more than any other individual trait.

[Tr3ach]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Exactly. 

Hence why guys like Baker Mayfield don't always pan out. It's between the ears that matters more than any other individual trait.

Yea it's true with basically all positions but especially qb.  It's like when you look up combine records, most of the names are unknowns who never panned out.   I still think being given some time and not rushed in is definitely the best thing for Corral and his development. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

Yea it's true with basically all positions but especially qb.  It's like when you look up combine records, most of the names are unknowns who never panned out.   I still think being given some time and not rushed in is definitely the best thing for Corral and his development. 

I think Corral's learning curve is going to be a little steep coming from the type of offense that he has been playing in. But the same was said of Mahomes and Herbert. 

If we can develop Corral into a quality backup QB, it was a win as a pick. Anything more than that is icing. 

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

People overrate physical traits all the time when it comes to qb.  Most of the difference between an average QB and a great qb is between the ears.  Not how fast they are or how far they throw it.  There arent many times the best qb equals the best athlete.

Point well taken.

[Tr3ach]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think Corral's learning curve is going to be a little steep coming from the type of offense that he has been playing in. But the same was said of Mahomes and Herbert. 

If we can develop Corral into a quality backup QB, it was a win as a pick. Anything more than that is icing. 

Yea, I dont know about this for sure great qb that a lot of people are sure of, I definitely hope they're right, but regardless I know this time will let him go through all the mental reps and time to see things from an nfl qb perspective which is a lot different than hes used to.

[NCBlu]

6 hours ago, dynomite said:

Luckily you don’t have to long jump too often as a quarterback….. putting all your hopes and dreams into a 3rd round pick is an interesting move. But he went in the 3rd for a reason. If he were so talented and so physically gifted his draft stock would have reflected it.  

People put to much into where a guy was drafted. LOTS of people thought he would go 1st rnd some even said he was the best QB in the draft.(More then one) He was also invited to the draft so even the NFL thought he would go 1st rnd. Just because you slide for off field stuff does not mean the talent is not there. Josh Rosen was a 1st, it's not where you are drafted.

BTW our GM is not going anywhere anytime soon so even if Rhule is let good and Matt C looks like he can be a player he will get a shot at some point.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, NCBlu said:

People put to much into where a guy was drafted. LOTS of people thought he would go 1st rnd some even said he was the best QB in the draft.(More then one) He was also invited to the draft so even the NFL thought he would go 1st rnd. 

I meant to say this, but got sidetracked, so glad you brought it up. More than a few NFL types thought that he was a first round talent pre-draft, notwithstanding this so-called "weak QB class." Many people were of the opinion that he was the one with the highest upside and true starting potential, and they still do.  They recognized and acknowledged his talent, as did the ones who thought that Corral was very hard to grade and project due to playing in Kiffin's system. That, his untimely injury, all the other trumped up stuff, and the  dynamics of the 2022 draft were reasons why no one committed until round three; it wasn't because MC9 was some mediocre talent.

Edited July 13, 2022 by top dawg

[frankw]

Save this energy for September. The only two quarterbacks that matter are Mayfield and Corral. You don't have to be thrilled about it but it's the QB room we've got so it's time to put the Baker hate aside. I'd like to see Corral get a full offseason under him to add some weight but the potential and arm talent are there. I'm eager to see how his first camp goes. Now we just have to take out the garbage first. You know what I mean.

Edited July 13, 2022 by frankw

[CPcavedweller]

22 hours ago, top dawg said:

Yeah, I said it. And you remember that I said it!

Once Corral gets up to speed, whether it's 2022 or beyond, he'll do things that Baker or Darnold wish that they could do as far as throwing and running the rock.

I'm tired of the Huddle's general disrespect for "our QB of the future." 

Baker has a photographic memory, Matt does not.

[rippadonn]

4 hours ago, onmyown said:

Trade one of those super bowl loses for a NFC champ loss (a single game) and you basically have the Jets, even within a seasons worth of games W/L % wise. 

 

Is that pre Tepper or post Tepper? Because pre Tepper we could actually talk our sht.

 

Jet's? Browns? We've just become trash they've set the pace. Jets haven't been to a Superbowl since 1969, that doesn't count as modern day. The last time the Browns were in the Superbowl? NEVER. Lol guys!

 

If our asses are dragging record wise historically now, resembling a bottom feeder it's courtesy of Tepper. He loves talking to the Jets and other bottom feeders.