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Baker Mayfield has a lot to prove, period!

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19 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Jake started his career started about the same time as Bakers current age. Love Jake and all that, but he doesnt come close to Baker form a skills point. If Baker remains healthy, he will lap Jake 3x in nearly every category= Plain fact.  

dude just stop you are really embarrassing yourself

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21 hours ago, top dawg said:

It's starting to sound like some Huddlers want to simply give Baker a pass and disregard his issues pertaining to his issues in Cleveland. I just refuse to do it. He is going to have to earn any loyalty from me before I crown him as the savior that the Panthers need. 

I don't know if the article from the Athletic was posted here, or any excepts considering the Athletic's paywall, but a Fox Sports article from today makes reference to it, and it has basically said what I've been trying to tell you: Mayfield is going to have to change his way of being if he's going to be anything close to a long term answer in Charlotte.

Jason Lloyd of the Athletic rightly blamed the Browns for their decades of dysfunction, including their part in Baker's beginning as a young pro.

"But Lloyd also zeroed in on the issues that Mayfield brought to the table, and a lot of it had to do with how he acted on days other than Sunday, in addition to his struggles on gameday.

"Yet his constant failures in fourth quarters and tight moments, dating back to his rookie year, made it evident the Browns needed to get better at the most important position to compete with the arms race of AFC quarterbacks," Lloyd wrote. 'Mayfield always thought he was better than he was, and it repeatedly got him into trouble with terrible footwork and ill-advised throws at inopportune times.'

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'Mayfield was widely viewed as childish and immature. His behavior annoyed teammates and divided the locker room. He was often difficult to coach.'"

 

The Baker that Mayfield displayed in Cleveland is destined to fail in Charlotte. Baker is going to essentially have to turn over a new leaf, and in my opinion, Huddlers and Panthers fans everywhere should internalize and acknowledge this opinion as close to the truth as possible. Regardless of past injuries or other rationalizations about his ultimate failures in Cleveland, he can't bring that act to Charlotte and expect to be successful. So pump the brakes and simply stop. We're going to have to see what type of Baker is coming to Charlotte before we crown his ass as anything but a guy with some potential, but who hasn't gotten it done. He hasn't earned the right to be a diva, including getting on his high horse with the media. He's just another inconsistent QB with a certain amount of untapped potential with questionable decision-making (and we've become too accustomed to that in Charlotte for at least the last decade).

 

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/can-baker-mayfield-turn-it-around-carolina

 

21 hours ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

I was listening to WFNZ and they were “crowning his ass” more than I’ve heard anybody in a long time. It was embarrassing, and shows how long we have to go to be a respectable pro sports region.

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The really loud fat one is from Cleveland and is headed back there, he’s been on his knees for Baker big time. 

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29 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Yea hes had 2 good yrs and 2 poor yr, tho I want to protest one of those due to injury in week2. I view him playing hurt as +++ rather than minus, the teams is at fault for not having a better backup.

Look at this and see if it opens some thoughts-

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/career-passing.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayfBa00.htm

 

Baker is just 27 fyi. Hes already 3rd in TDs and could pass Jake the great this season. 

I can't give Baker a pass for last year because he chose to play. They had a higher end backup who may have given them a better chance than a hurt Baker. I'm a harder task master, so I'd say that he had a decent year, a so-so (leaning toward bad) year, a good year, and a terrible year (in which he was playing hurt). 

I haven't thought that any of our QBs were consistently top tier (which is what I want).  Cam excelled due to his extraordinary running ability, but his decision-making was consistently suspect in my opinion (like Baker's), and his touch on the ball, particularly outside of the pocket and in motion, was highly suspect (like Baker's), and reads were mediocre (akin to Baker's). If Baker keeps throwing double digit interceptions at the rate that he has been (assuming he is a starter), he's going to pass many QBs by a wide margin, including Cam and Jake. Beuerlein has a similar passer rating as a Panther as Mayfield (87.5 vs 87.8), but higher TD percentage, lower INT percentage, but a slightly better average per reception. 

Now, I can see saying that maybe he's in the discussion as the second best QB to to ever don a Panthers uniform, but he's going to have to accrue a few years and earn and prove his ranking as a Panther to be considered the second best Panthers QB. He may have the arm talent to get there, but it's hardly a guarantee. 

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From Hue Jackson to Gregg Williams to Freddie Kitchens to Kevin Stefanski, Mayfield has only known turnover at head coach. Jackson, Todd Hailey, Kitchens, Todd Monken and Alex Van Pelt have all either held play-calling duties and/or the offensive coordinator title for Mayfield since his arrival in 2018. ...who could possible succeed under this leadership...this group makes fhule look competent...we got a steal...give the kid some room.... he can play. Is he perfect? No. If he was throwing to Kelce and Hill people wouldn't be talking about Mahomes...

 

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27 minutes ago, Pimpdaddy said:

From Hue Jackson to Gregg Williams to Freddie Kitchens to Kevin Stefanski, Mayfield has only known turnover at head coach. Jackson, Todd Hailey, Kitchens, Todd Monken and Alex Van Pelt have all either held play-calling duties and/or the offensive coordinator title for Mayfield since his arrival in 2018. ...who could possible succeed under this leadership...this group makes fhule look competent...we got a steal...give the kid some room.... he can play. Is he perfect? No. If he was throwing to Kelce and Hill people wouldn't be talking about Mahomes...

 

He really has been dealt a poo hand with coaches

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Honestly, this is one of the things I'm talking about: some here think it's some great win to compare Baker favorably to Panthers QBs, but that's not anything great. I mean, you can't compare him to Cam really because Baker didn't have all the tools in his bag that Cam did, and Cam probably isn't even a HoFer himself (sorry, homers).  When looking at Baker, compare him to the top tier QBs in the league! You're not really making your point by comparing him to lesser guys. Can he get to that top tier or even the tier of Stafford or Dak on a consistent basis? Can he be even a Romo or McNabb? That's what remains to be seen. 

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9 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Honestly, this is one of the things I'm talking about: some here think it's some great win to compare Baker favorably to Panthers QBs, but that's not anything great. I mean, you can't compare him to Cam really because Baker didn't have all the tools in his bag that Cam did, and Cam probably isn't even a HoFer himself (sorry, homers).  When looking at Baker, compare him to the top tier QBs in the league! You're not really making your point by comparing him to lesser guys. Can he get to that top tier or even the tier of Stafford or Dak on a consistent basis? Can he be even a Romo or McNabb? That's what remains to be seen. 

Why worry about comparing him to other Panthers quarterbacks? There are only two long term successful starters in a quarter century anyways. Either he can play or he'll be looking for a job elsewhere next year. Best thing to do for now is hope he proves a lot of people wrong. Cam will end up in the hall by the time it's all said and done I think. He needs to accept the reality of his career right now and retire so people can get back to appreciating what he did for the position though.

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