This right here is HUGE

[ForJimmy]

25 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

 

If we are using Dan Orlovsky quotes/data, how do you feel about this one? 

[Catsfan69]

57 minutes ago, Zod said:

We lost so many games in the third quarter 

 

3rd Quarter Passing, Career: 

Baker Mayfield: 
67.7%, 16 TD, 5 INT

Sam Darnold: 
57.7%, 11 TD, 17 INT

 

Thanks to @ellis for the stats 

 

 

 

 

You know what's huge?

Mayfields rating of 17 when trailing in the 4th quarter. 

The opposite of clutch.

[ForJimmy]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

::sigh::

 

but it was a cheap trade or something

You do realize that “above average” is a huge jump from Darnold? So yeah a $5 million dollar trade to go from worst in the NFL to above average at the most important position is a good trade. 

[Catsfan69]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

You do realize that “above average” is a huge jump from Darnold? So yeah a $5 million dollar trade to go from worst in the NFL to above average at the most important position is a good trade. 

Who gives a phuck about winning 8 or 10 games?

He's not a top 10 QB. It's a wasted move. 

[Sgt Schultz]

8 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

I started a thread about this a few days ago.

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/177644-the-key-to-the-season/

 

I was having that Yogi Berra feeling when I opened this thread. 

"It's deja vu all over again."

[PootieNunu]

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

If we are using Dan Orlovsky quotes/data, how do you feel about this one? 

Real stats vs feelings, its not the same.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

36 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

 

So, Baker starts and if we're trailing at the beginning of the 4th quarter sub Baker with...

[SazmoRanger]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

You do realize that “above average” is a huge jump from Darnold? So yeah a $5 million dollar trade to go from worst in the NFL to above average at the most important position is a good trade. 

Why do people keep comparing him to Darnold? Please stop. The people who didn’t want to trade for Baker don’t think Darnold is better. NOBODY, thinks that. Congrats, Baker is better than the worst starting QB in the league last year. 
 

Most people like myself just don’t want to settle for mediocrity and don’t believe Baker is an elite QB. You need that elite QB to win the Super Bowl in today’s NFL. Just because Sam sucks doesn’t mean we should’ve traded for Baker. 

[ForJimmy]

Just now, Catsfan69 said:

Who gives a phuck about winning 8 or 10 games?

He's not a top 10 QB. It's a wasted move. 

What a terrible take. You don’t need a top 10 QB to win it all. See Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Manning his final year, Eli Manning. What you can’t have is QB that is the very bottom of the league. We have had a top 10 QB once in our entire history and he wasn’t top 10 consistently. Delhomme got us to just as many Super Bowls as Cam did without being top 10.

We had a good chance to upgrade the position and make our team better for very cheap and made it happen. Smart teams do that and now we can build a competent offense to insert our next QB if Baker isn’t our guy. Better yet top FA QBs May actually consider Charlotte as a destination instead of bottom of the league team/offense.

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, SazmoRanger said:

Why do people keep comparing him to Darnold? Please stop. The people who didn’t want to trade for Baker don’t think Darnold is better. NOBODY, thinks that. Congrats, Baker is better than the worst starting QB in the league last year. 
 

Most people like myself just don’t want to settle for mediocrity and don’t believe Baker is an elite QB. You need that elite QB to win the Super Bowl in today’s NFL. Just because Sam sucks doesn’t mean we should’ve traded for Baker. 

We had Sam, PJ, and a 3rd round rookie who said himself he isn’t ready yet. So what would you option be aside from tanking this year and trying to get lucky in the next draft? 
Sam sucking and being our top option absolutely means we should have traded for Baker. Our staff’s job is to try to win as many games as possible and this trade helps them achieve that while Corral gets his feet wet. 

[SazmoRanger]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

We had Sam, PJ, and a 3rd round rookie who said himself he isn’t ready yet. So what would you option be aside from tanking this year and trying to get lucky in the next draft? 
Sam sucking and being our top option absolutely means we should have traded for Baker. Our staff’s job is to try to win as many games as possible and this trade helps them achieve that while Corral gets his feet wet. 

Well I’d try and do the same thing the Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Packers, Bills, Ravens, Texans(DW4), Bengals, and the Cardinals did. The formula is out there. 

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

What a terrible take. You don’t need a top 10 QB to win it all. See Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Manning his final year, Eli Manning. What you can’t have is QB that is the very bottom of the league. We have had a top 10 QB once in our entire history and he wasn’t top 10 consistently. Delhomme got us to just as many Super Bowls as Cam did without being top 10.

We had a good chance to upgrade the position and make our team better for very cheap and made it happen. Smart teams do that and now we can build a competent offense to insert our next QB if Baker isn’t our guy. Better yet top FA QBs May actually consider Charlotte as a destination instead of bottom of the league team/offense.

In fairness, Peyton Manning was easily the worst QB in the NFL when he won his 2nd title. That isn't hyperbole.

[ForJimmy]

Looking at the recent Super Bowl winners Rams, Bucs, Eagles, Chiefs, Broncos all established solid teams before acquiring their Super Bowl winning QBs. The Chiefs drafted theirs, but traded up to get him as they were already a playoff team with an average QB in Smith. Bucs and Rams had average to below average QB play and build solid teams around them before trading for or signing their guy. Eagles won as a team with a journeyman QB filling in for their drafted one. 
Even if he doesn’t win a Super Bowl, have a decent QB to run our offense and build up our team is a big next step from constantly drafting in the top 10. We become more attractive for vet QBs that may want to leave their team for whatever reason or we can trade up and get our rookie to insert in an offense that isn’t limp and dead. Corral could even be that guy. Rolling it back with Sam and PJ is just hoping for the draft to save us.

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, SazmoRanger said:

Well I’d try and do the same thing the Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Packers, Bills, Ravens, Texans(DW4), Bengals, and the Cardinals did. The formula is out there. 

The Chiefs are the only recent Super Bowl winners out of those teams unless you are including Flacco’s Ravens win. The Chiefs had an average QB in Smith who could get them in the playoffs but not much further BEFORE they traded up to acquire a QB in which they let him sit fit a while behind Smith. So we very well could be attempting their formula (only they have Reid and we have Rhule… yuck).