McAdoo now gets to work with TWO quarterbacks he wasn't high on four years ago.

[rebelrouser]

I hope everyone considers McAdoo a huge step up from Joe Brady.  I also like him as a counter to Rhule's decision making, although that didn't work w/ Mayfield apparently.  I would swap him for Rhule right now.  He didn't have the best situation in NY as Jerry Reese had really let the talent run down there.  

[rayzor]

i'm sure both Darnold and Mayfield knew about MacAdoo's comments. I'm just curious their thoughts on each other having to work together now. i mean he had a couple good things to talk about each of the two guys...but thought they were limited in what they would be able to do and he's not been wrong on them.

who knows....maybe he can coach them up. i'm just not all that optimistic about either one of them. i think MacAdoo would rather be focusing on Corral. I know I would.

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i'm sure both Darnold and Mayfield knew about MacAdoo's comments. I'm just curious their thoughts on each other having to work together now. i mean he had a couple good things to talk about each of the two guys...but thought they were limited in what they would be able to do and he's not been wrong on them.

who knows....maybe he can coach them up. i'm just not all that optimistic about either one of them. i think MacAdoo would rather be focusing on Corral. I know I would.

I’d be real interested to see if Baker invites Darnold to the session he is hosting with our receivers and skill players

[NorthTryon]

Sounds like he was spot on to me. Baker is a turnover machine because he is a short pocket passer with small hands and Sam can't pass worth a damn. Add to that nugget that now Sam has PTSD. Then think about the fact that Baker whiffed with a real life video game roster offense. Someone said McAdoo should leave the scouting to the scouts. McAdoo may have a very stupid haircut, but he wasn't too far off with his assessment. 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

I hope everyone considers McAdoo a huge step up from Joe Brady.  I also like him as a counter to Rhule's decision making, although that didn't work w/ Mayfield apparently.  I would swap him for Rhule right now.  He didn't have the best situation in NY as Jerry Reese had really let the talent run down there.  

I mean, is McAdoo a counter to Rhule's decision making?  McAdoo when he had to ability to really show what his decisions really were as HC.......showed to be a really bad decision maker.  From dealing with players to managing a football game. 

[kungfoodude]

41 minutes ago, t96 said:

Baker has already shown to be a lot better in the NFL than McAdoo thought he would be and if Ben didn't want him at this point I highly doubt Baker would be here right now. 

That is a massive assumption. We have no actual idea how the hierarchy breaks down at the moment. It's possible Rhule didn't want Baker. It's possible McAdoo didn't want Baker.

We aren't gonna know that until people start snitching on that situation.

I would day given the general level of dysfunction that is reportedly rife in the organization, it's hard to assume much if anything. 

Edited July 8, 2022 by kungfoodude

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

I’d be real interested to see if Baker invites Darnold to the session he is hosting with our receivers and skill players

that whole dynamic has to be jacked. everyone wants to be a leader. it's going to be interesting to see who shows up at all for it. i mean why would anyone show up just because baker invited them? it's not like baker is some legend stepping into a leadership role and everyone responds just because it's him.

guy has to earn that kind of respect. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, is McAdoo a counter to Rhule's decision making?  McAdoo when he had to ability to really show what his decisions really were as HC.......showed to be a really bad decision maker.  From dealing with players to managing a football game. 

And how much of an upgrade is McAdoo? We aren't gonna know that until the season is over. 

Lots of Brady apologists and hope after Rhule Year 1. It changed quickly.

[MHS831]

Last year, we put Darnold--who struggled in NY behind a horrible OL---behind a horrible OL (30th in NFL pass pro).  The offseason, we added 3 starting caliber OL and BC should be ready to take the next step.  We can trash Darnold all we want--but he had a terrible OL, no real TE threat, WRs with the dropsies, an OC just out of high school---not exactly a recipe for success.  There are few QBs in the NFL who could have prospered here-if any.

Baker had a good OL in Cleveland last year, but he was playing injured for most of the season.  His stats were still better than Darnolds'.  In 2020, with a good OL, Baker was above average, winning a playoff game in Pittsburgh. 

My point?  Expectations are pretty low right now, but I think conditions have drastically improved for both QB prospects.  I feel the OL will be very good--when is the last time we could say that?  I think our WR corps will be better, expecting improvement from Marshall.  Play calling should be better, now that we fired Brady, all agreeing that the NFL is not the SEC, and you can't win by simply having better players.

And then there is Corral---a bit raw, but a very talented steal at the end of round 3.  He is the type of player that is succeeding in the NFL now, and he has promise.

Personally, I think we could have a really good QB room if all works out.  While it is not Cam Newton/Derek Anderson, it potentially could be much better than in 2021.  The key will be to see how the Panthers develop talent, control the locker room, and make wise decisions moving forward.

 

 

[rebelrouser]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, is McAdoo a counter to Rhule's decision making?  McAdoo when he had to ability to really show what his decisions really were as HC.......showed to be a really bad decision maker.  From dealing with players to managing a football game. 

He went 11-5 with a team that caused Coughlin to get fired. Again, that team's talent had run its course w/ sorry jerry reese and ended up stinking the next year.   I don't see his time in NY as that negative.

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

that whole dynamic has to be jacked. everyone wants to be a leader. it's going to be interesting to see who shows up at all for it. i mean why would anyone show up just because baker invited them? it's not like baker is some legend stepping into a leadership role and everyone responds just because it's him.

guy has to earn that kind of respect. 

Hosting these sessions are the first step to earning respect. He is finding ways to spend time with the offense to establish chemistry and get to know the players. This is the typical first step for any new qb to any team. 
 

[Actionman0z]

I’m at least interested in an amazing competition during training camp. I like the blend of personalities too for Corral. Spicy Mayfield, and laid back Sammy D. Let’s see how it develops. 

[Mr. Scot]

...and one that he was very high on this year.

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

He went 11-5 with a team that caused Coughlin to get fired. Again, that team's talent had run its course w/ sorry jerry reese and ended up stinking the next year.   I don't see his time in NY as that negative.

I mean, seperate OC from HC.  His reviews as a HC were absolutely brutal and he got a quick exit.  And basically was outcasted from the league because it went so bad. 

We were just talking decision making.  Best way to view decision making of McAdoo is when he was the boss/HC.  McAdoo IMO was clearly viewed as a poor one.  From how he dealt w/ people to managing a game.    His HC time is the best indicator of his actual decisions making.... so I just don't buy him being some great positive there to balance out Rhule. 

Can McAdoo run a normal NFL practice and prep? Which we haven't had under Rhule? Yes.  If Rhule lets him.  That would be the positive of McAdoo.