Big Ten and SEC fixing to dismantle the ACC?

[jayboogieman]

10 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

IMO, College Sports as we know it is dying.  Ratings continue to drop. 

College sports isn't dying and not all of the ratings are dropping. The landscape is changing though.

Women's college volleyball continues to be one of the fastest growing college sports.

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A sellout crowd of 18,755 showed up to see Wisconsin best Nebraska, leading to Wisconsin’s Anna Smrek winning Most Outstanding Player honors. While the arena was jammed with fans, the match also set an ESPN record with 1.19 million viewers tuned in to ESPN2 for the contest.

Women's college gymnastics is also seeing huge gains.

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ABC aired the national championships on broadcast TV for the "first time in a decade last April." This season, ESPN aired "more than 60 hours of gymnastics and ABC televised a regular-season meet for the first time." ABC also will "broadcast the NCAA finals on April 16." LSU led the nation in average attendance -- 11,691 -- for the "first time in program history" while Auburn "sold out every home meet this season." Michigan "drew a record crowd" of 12,707 when Lee and Auburn visited last month. There always have been "strong pockets of support, particularly in places UCLA, Oklahoma, Georgia, Alabama and Utah, but the growth is no longer limited to a select few"

 

[MHS831]

forget college sports--think of the reason colleges have athletic programs to begin with--

I do not think it was ever intended that athletes would represent colleges that they never get into otherwise.  I do not think it was ever supposed to be about big time TV contracts and 100K seat stadiums that serve as the minor league of the NFL.  If you want to know how bad it is, consider that (before endorsements) the top football coaching salary in the NCAA (Riley, USC) is 10 TIMES HIGHER than the TOP University Chancellor (Univ of Kentucky) in the US. 

It really is not college athletics anymore--it is a group of athletes that wear university colors and they play sports to raise money for the university.  It is way out of hand, and since we love it, we let it go.  They now have free agency (Portal) and athletes can be paid endorsements--in college.

So when they end the local rivalries and find academic loopholes to keep athletes enrolled (for example, the African American Studies major at UNC or the fact that Duke basketball players are usually fully enrolled in summer courses at NC Central)  Does it really matter which college's name is on the jersey?  I mean, these are not, for the most part, student-athletes--they are guys that a college recruiter could convince to attend so that they can promote themselves for three years and hopefully enter the NFL.

 

[4Corners]

5 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Yeah, you clearly believe that when App State or ECU comes to Chapel Hill and teaches UNC something of a lesson in humility. Overrated cheating fhcks. Would love for the corruption of the UNC Syetem leadership to be weeded out and maybe it will with this move to Raleigh.

The only things Crap State and EZU can teach UNC is how to smoke yourself stupid or how to self diagnose the clap 

Go heels! 

[4Corners]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

forget college sports--think of the reason colleges have athletic programs to begin with--

I do not think it was ever intended that athletes would represent colleges that they never get into otherwise.  I do not think it was ever supposed to be about big time TV contracts and 100K seat stadiums that serve as the minor league of the NFL.  If you want to know how bad it is, consider that (before endorsements) the top football coaching salary in the NCAA (Riley, USC) is 10 TIMES HIGHER than the TOP University Chancellor (Univ of Kentucky) in the US. 

It really is not college athletics anymore--it is a group of athletes that wear university colors and they play sports to raise money for the university.  It is way out of hand, and since we love it, we let it go.  They now have free agency (Portal) and athletes can be paid endorsements--in college.

So when they end the local rivalries and find academic loopholes to keep athletes enrolled (for example, the African American Studies major at UNC or the fact that Duke basketball players are usually fully enrolled in summer courses at NC Central)  Does it really matter which college's name is on the jersey?  I mean, these are not, for the most part, student-athletes--they are guys that a college recruiter could convince to attend so that they can promote themselves for three years and hopefully enter the NFL.

 

The AFAM “scandal” at UNC was fake news. These were liberal studies classes that were legitimate and required work. While I did not take them, I have friends that did. Yes, they were easy but not the bullshit that was fed to you by people like Dan Kane and Pete Thamel. 
 

Everyone knows the athletes get special treatment and know exactly which classes to take for easy grades - especially the kids that are only going to be there for a semester. Word on the street is that Trevor Keels was strongly advised to return to duke but quit going to spring class and wasn’t going to be eligible. 
 

Classes like this are available everywhere. People didn’t like seeing how the sausage was made because they were so naive to belive the student athletes were there working to cure cancer. Lol. 

[Davidson Deac II]

13 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

College sports isn't dying and not all of the ratings are dropping. The landscape is changing though.

Women's college volleyball continues to be one of the fastest growing college sports.

Women's college gymnastics is also seeing huge gains.

 

I said as we know it.

Certainly, some college sporting events will survive and maybe even thrive, and it actually wouldn't bother me to much if the local college teams got back to playing regional rivals and let the big football factories wring every last dollar, they can out of TV networks until the cash cow inevitably dries up.  

[4Corners]

The notion that college sports is dying and the raTiNgz r DrOPPingz is a strange opinion indeed. Look at the TV contracts being handed out and the revenue sharing. Not to mention the alcohol sales now and the NIL that will make athletes and teams even more lucrative. 
 

sure, to some 50-60 year old boomer who gets angry when a player sits out a meaningless bowl game because they don’t want to jeopardize millions of dollars, college sports might be dying, but if you look at the checks being written and what the highest rated programs were I can assure you that they ain’t dying. 
 

a better way to put it is “college sports are changing, adapting to different times and adjusting to more capitalistic principals and I don’t like it” 

now nascar, that is a sport that is actually dying a slow painful death 

[jayboogieman]

4 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I said as we know it.

Certainly, some college sporting events will survive and maybe even thrive, and it actually wouldn't bother me to much if the local college teams got back to playing regional rivals and let the big football factories wring every last dollar, they can out of TV networks until the cash cow inevitably dries up.  

Won't happen. Live sports is one of the only things that still draws ratings. Those TV deals will probably keep growing.

For me, I'm glad the women's sports are seeing growth. They work just as hard as male athletes do and in the case of the gymnasts, often work much harder.

[jayboogieman]

7 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

The notion that college sports is dying and the raTiNgz r DrOPPingz is a strange opinion indeed. Look at the TV contracts being handed out and the revenue sharing. Not to mention the alcohol sales now and the NIL that will make athletes and teams even more lucrative. 

Yeah, the idea that ratings are dropping is sort of strange. Even the WWE got two 1 billion dollar TV contracts based off their terrible ratings because it is still considered a sport by some and cheap to produce. The TV contracts for the different conferences will keep going up, not down as the networks continue to cling onto their existing business model.

[Davidson Deac II]

45 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Won't happen. Live sports is one of the only things that still draws ratings. 

For now.   But the ratings are dropping.  If they continue to drop, no way the networks are going to continue to be able to afford the payments, since advertisers will find better ways to spend their advertising dollars.  

[4Corners]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

Yeah, the idea that ratings are dropping is sort of strange. Even the WWE got two 1 billion dollar TV contracts based off their terrible ratings because it is still considered a sport by some and cheap to produce. The TV contracts for the different conferences will keep going up, not down as the networks continue to cling onto their existing business model.

I mean ratings have been down for several years now across the board. It’s just how things are now. People consume media in so many different ways. College football moves the needle in this country and is probably only behind the nfl. I’m a college hoops guy but these realignments are not being made because of college basketball. 

[4Corners]

25 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

For now.   But the ratings are dropping.  If they continue to drop, no way the networks are going to continue to be able to afford the payments, since advertisers will find better ways to spend their advertising dollars.  

No offense but you have no clue what you’re talking about. 

[CRA]

On 7/4/2022 at 7:59 PM, Snake said:

Clemson will not want to move to a real conference. They will get beat down every year unlike in the ACC. 

Fun fact:

In the last half decade Clemson has beaten Alabama more times than any school actually in the SEC.  Bonus fun fact: In the last half decade Clemson has more wins over Ohio State than any actual school in the Big10.  

Clemson could just take the Gamecocks spot in the SEC.    They wouldn’t be missed and don’t belong.   

[jayboogieman]

47 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

For now.   But the ratings are dropping.  If they continue to drop, no way the networks are going to continue to be able to afford the payments, since advertisers will find better ways to spend their advertising dollars.  

Traditional TV won't be going anywhere until years after true high speed internet is available in the entire US. And if we keep leaving it up to the incumbent providers, it'll never happen.

The cable companies provide internet service, but they want to keep those coaxial lines pumping out cable TV because that is almost all profit at this point. Those lines have been in place for decades in a lot of areas. When these companies take the government money to build out in rural areas, they just build out in new subdivisions and pocket the rest. The same is true for the phone companies.

Starlink and the other satellite internet providers have weather issues as well as capacity issues in addition to being expensive. They aren't a good long term solution either. The cell providers don't want to build out enough towers to make 5G work in rural areas. Heck there are still lots of areas where 3G doesn't work.

[jayboogieman]

34 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

I mean ratings have been down for several years now across the board. It’s just how things are now. People consume media in so many different ways. College football moves the needle in this country and is probably only behind the nfl. I’m a college hoops guy but these realignments are not being made because of college basketball. 

True, but there are millions that don't have access to high speed internet and streaming that aren't a Nielson family that advertisers want to reach. That's not going to change anytime soon because of corporate greed either.