Vegas odds on which head coach gets fired first this season

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, top dawg said:

See things how you want to see them. Panthers Confidential is a production, yes, but I am talking about body language and deference. Unless you think that Tepper, Rhule, and Fitt are ready for the Academy Award, I don't think that you can be so dismissive of their actions.

It's not hard to argue that Rhule is still firmly in charge at all.

Yeah, but you only want to talk about the body language from a Panther PR piece.  

And totally dismiss the body language of Rhule emerging unedited from hiding like a scolded puppy dog that someone beat with a newspaper. 

I at least acknowledge both exist.  I simply put more stock in the one that isn’t produced by the Panther PR team.  You aren’t even acknowledging the other as existing. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Wilks is already receiving love from players in the building.

Wilks was a guy that a ton of people talked up as a future head coach.

I'm not sure his first shot at the job was a legit one.

(definitely not a fan of Steve Keim)

Edited June 22, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[top dawg]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, but you only want to talk about the body language from a Panther PR piece.  

And totally dismiss the body language of Rhule emerging unedited from hiding like a scolded puppy dog that someone beat with a newspaper. 

I at least acknowledge both exist.  I simply put more stock in the one that isn’t produced by the Panther PR team.  You aren’t even acknowledging the other as existing. 

Everyone knows that Rhule has been low profile since season's end. That's not a news flash. I don't even know what you're talking about really, but since you want to acknowledge something, how about acknowledging that Rhule's contract gives him final say. How about acknowledging the fact that Gantt has reported that Rhule is in charge? That is much more worthy than some story about him hiding in the shadows.

 

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Everyone knows that Rhule has been low profile since season's end. That's not a news flash. I don't even know what you're talking about really, but since you want to acknowledge something, how about acknowledging that Rhule's contract gives him final say. How about acknowledging the fact that Gantt has reported that Rhule is in charge? That is much more worthy than some story about him hiding in the shadows.

 

Well, go watch the pressers with the GM after Rhule emerged from hiding if you like to look at body language and all that.   There were a bunch of threads about all that too.   That’s also where you can find the GM clearly reading the room in regards to how the press was treating him vs Rhule. 

Gantt is literally a Panther employee.  And the Panthers script is all you acknowledge.  

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Well, go watch the pressers with the GM after Rhule emerged from hiding if you like to look at body language and all that.   There were a bunch of threads about all that too.  

Gantt is literally a Panther employee.  And the Panthers script is all you acknowledge.  

By your logic, it's all a big PR stunt. 

I don't even particularly like Gantt, but let's not act like he hasn't always told the truth as he sees it. They all have! You'll not convince me that there's some script that he goes by when people ask him questions in his mailbag. 

And then, you must ask yourself, what does it profit him, Tepper or anyone to say that there hasn't been a power shift if there had been? That would be pretty substantial news that would help placate the masses. 

[top dawg]

And I'll qualify that by saying "forced power shift."

[top dawg]

The buck still stops with Rhule. Just deal with it!

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

And then, you must ask yourself, what does it profit him, Tepper or anyone to say that there hasn't been a power shift if there had been? That would be pretty substantial news that would help placate the masses. 

They wouldn't say it, but that doesn't mean they didn't do it.

But if you're say, Matt Rhule, you could always frame it as something like "stepping away from some of the detail oriented stuff in order to focus on a more personal approach with the players" like we've heard him talk about this offseason.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The buck still stops with Rhule. Just deal with it!

I'm fine with that.

It means if we have a bad season, he's the one who gets fired.

[top dawg]

Hell, I'd have been more likely to bet Rhule would be fired last January than the coming one. Now, after all the changes, and laying of the foundation, I wouldn't bet sh¡t on Rhule being fired until 2023-2024 depending on the state of the team. 

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, top dawg said:

By your logic, it's all a big PR stunt. 

I don't even particularly like Gantt, but let's not act like he hasn't always told the truth as he sees it. They all have! You'll not convince me that there's some script that he goes by when people ask him questions in his mailbag. 

And then, you must ask yourself, what does it profit him, Tepper or anyone to say that there hasn't been a power shift if there had been? That would be pretty substantial news that would help placate the masses. 

By your logic all there is…is what the Panthers org says and puts out.   I don’t deny it exists though. 

well if you are choosing to enter into what is essentially a lame duck Rhule year pending there isn’t just some epic surprise…..you don’t actually say that.  We have seen that before here and elsewhere.   You are basically arguing if they were doing it they would publicly admit it.  Which they wouldn’t.  Fox 2010.  We all knew the deal.  Well, some denied it at the time. 

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm fine with that.

It means if we have a bad season, he's the one who gets fired.

The problem is that "bad season" is relative. What we think is a season worthy of being fired is obviously not what Tepper thinks is a season worthy of being fired. 2021 should have taught everyone that. So, no, I'm not into wishful thinking or the hype train.

[CashNewton22]

Lmao some of y’all are so miserable but I still love my fellow Panther fans 

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

By your logic all there is…is what the Panthers org says and puts out.   I don’t deny it exists though. 

well if you are choosing to enter into what is essentially a lame duck Rhule year pending their isn’t just some epic surprise…..you don’t actually say that.  We have seen that before here and elsewhere.   You are basically arguing if they were doing it they would publicly admit it.  Which they wouldn’t.  Fox 2010.  We all knew the deal.  Well, some denied it at the time. 

No, I try and read between the lines and watch what people say and do. When 2+2=4, it doesn't equal 3.