Per Jonathan Alexander, Browns were willing to eat 50% of Bakers salary($9m) and Panthers said no. Apparently, the max we want to take is $5m, playing hardball with them.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, RumHam said:

we have how much cap space?

Not as much as you think when you consider that a lot of it's reserved for particular things already.

[Jon Snow]

15 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not too worried about Corral. If he doesn't pan out after a year starting, he also just isn't likely to pan out. Even if he struggles, you should be able to see whether he is worth running it back in 2023 with.

That's also what I am after. We should have another top 10(maybe top 5) pick, so we need to know if that needs to be a QB or not.

Yes it needs to be a qb.  You don't wait another season trying to find out if a 3rd round qb pans out. You go qb next draft and every draft thereafter until one emerges as the franchise.  You do not wait a season in-between, that only drags out to process. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Yes it needs to be a qb.  You don't wait another season trying to find out if a 3rd round qb pans out. You go qb next draft and every draft thereafter until one emerges as the franchise.  You do not wait a season in-between, that only drags out 

But what if Corral shows some promise or is even quite good? That's the scenario where maybe I don't take a QB in the 2023 draft. It may not be likely but it is possible. 

 

[BrianS]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Yes it needs to be a qb.  You don't wait another season trying to find out if a 3rd round qb pans out. You go qb next draft and every draft thereafter until one emerges as the franchise.  You do not wait a season in-between, that only drags out to process. 

Unless Corral just BALLS THE (&*@ OUT and shows that he is that guy.  In which case, fine.  Just don't give me another season of Brady Christiansen but with a QB instead of a LT.  We need to KNOW by the end of the year if Corral is the guy.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

But what if Corral shows some promise or is even quite good? That's the scenario where maybe I don't take a QB in the 2023 draft. It may not be likely but it is possible. 

 

Promise is good but that's no guarantee. I'm taking qb's until one is clearly the guy. We need a good backup too so we should keep drafting them. Too many want to put all their hopes on Corral but to me that is putting your eggs in one basket.  We need more qb's to comb through. I just don't get the "find out now so we can decide" crowd. The decision should have already been made to add another one in the next draft. Hell they almost took two in the last draft. It's obvious they know they need more chances at them so yes, draft another next draft regardless of how Corral does. We need someone to backup Corral if he shows out or replace him if he doesn't. That qb should come from the draft, the next draft not 2 years from now.

[SammyFranchise]

Theres a very good chance Deshaun my be suspended for the entire year. If so, what does that mean for Cleveland? Do they convince Baker to play for one season, or trade still trade him?

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Unless Corral just BALLS THE (&*@ OUT and shows that he is that guy.  In which case, fine.  Just don't give me another season of Brady Christiansen but with a QB instead of a LT.  We need to KNOW by the end of the year if Corral is the guy.

I'm not sure he even needs to play incredibly well.  Just needs to learn the playbook and show we can run the offense while going through reads etc.  Maybe flash some playmaking skills.  Even the top drafted QBs don't look incredible their rookie years.  If Corral does this throughout the season and we have a top pick we could possibly trade it for a king's ransom to a QB needy team.  Then you have an extremely cheap QB for the next 3 years to build around with front heavy contracts until his next contract is due plus extra draft picks.  

[Mr. Scot]

37 minutes ago, SammyFranchise said:

Theres a very good chance Deshaun my be suspended for the entire year. If so, what does that mean for Cleveland? Do they convince Baker to play for one season, or trade still trade him?

Most everyone who's aware of the situation believes Mayfield isn't playing another down for the Browns.

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I'm not sure he even needs to play incredibly well.  Just needs to learn the playbook and show we can run the offense while going through reads etc.  Maybe flash some playmaking skills.  Even the top drafted QBs don't look incredible their rookie years.  If Corral does this throughout the season and we have a top pick we could possibly trade it for a king's ransom to a QB needy team.  Then you have an extremely cheap QB for the next 3 years to build around with front heavy contracts until his next contract is due plus extra draft picks.  

I've said I'd be fine with him having a Mac Jones type of rookie year.

Of course, Jones is reportedly about to go from having Josh McDaniels calling his plays to Matt Patricia

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've said I'd be fine with him having a Mac Jones type of rookie year.

Of course, Jones is reportedly about to go from having Josh McDaniels calling his plays to Matt Patricia

Oh yeah a Mac Jones year would be pretty great from a 3rd round QB.  I'm thinking more of a Trevor Lawrence type rookie season.  INTs are going to happen for rookie, but he needs to show progress, coachability, and adaptability.  If he can become the leader of our offense and show he belongs in the NFL as a rookie then I think we don't have to necessarily spend out first round pick on a QB next year.  As I think you stated it's extremely hard for a coaching staff to develop 1 young QB, 2 would be very difficult.  

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Promise is good but that's no guarantee. I'm taking qb's until one is clearly the guy. We need a good backup too so we should keep drafting them. Too many want to put all their hopes on Corral but to me that is putting your eggs in one basket.  We need more qb's to comb through. I just don't get the "find out now so we can decide" crowd. The decision should have already been made to add another one in the next draft. Hell they almost took two in the last draft. It's obvious they know they need more chances at them so yes, draft another next draft regardless of how Corral does. We need someone to backup Corral if he shows out or replace him if he doesn't. That qb should come from the draft, the next draft not 2 years from now.

Yeah, you have a good point. Unless Corral really blows the doors off it, take another QB. Worst case scenario is you have a windfall of a trade you can make if both pan out.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, you have a good point. Unless Corral really blows the doors off it, take another QB. Worst case scenario is you have a windfall of a trade you can make if both pan out.

It's definitely a strong argument to be made, however the question is where are we drafting this next QBs.  If we start drafting QBs in the first round before we can fully develop any then it can become an issue.  I have no problem drafting one in the 3rd-4th plus range, but I would hate to use our first each year especially when the issue might be our staffing putting them in positions to succeed.  

[BrianS]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

It's definitely a strong argument to be made, however the question is where are we drafting this next QBs.  If we start drafting QBs in the first round before we can fully develop any then it can become an issue.  I have no problem drafting one in the 3rd-4th plus range, but I would hate to use our first each year especially when the issue might be our staffing putting them in positions to succeed.  

I don't think that's a question at all.  If Corral doesn't show you he can be THE GUY, you draft one in the first round.  You need a QB.  Period.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

It's definitely a strong argument to be made, however the question is where are we drafting this next QBs.  If we start drafting QBs in the first round before we can fully develop any then it can become an issue.  I have no problem drafting one in the 3rd-4th plus range, but I would hate to use our first each year especially when the issue might be our staffing putting them in positions to succeed.  

Even if we are drafting at 32 I'm still looking at the qb's. Granted that would mean we could wait a season or two if that miracle happened. If we are sitting right smack in the top half again I'm going qb in the first. 

Developmental qb's are always part of the plan. But in the meantime we do not have a legit starter. I vote to continue to add through the draft for a while.