Ben McAdoo Presser

[4Corners]

56 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

As both an old guy and a longtime student of the game...

...I have no idea what that phrase means

What do you mean student of the game 

you actually took classes on NFL football? 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Why dwell on his team's offensive performance while he was HC though?  It's not an apples-to-apples comparison; we want to evaluate McAdoo's performance as an OC since that's the role he's serving here.  It's logical to think, as HC, he was much more hands-off with his offense than while he was the OC where that'd be his sole focus.

I think a more apt comparison is to look at the Giants' offense before and after he was brought on as OC.  In 2013 (the year before McAdoo was brought on as OC), the Giants ranked 28th in yardage and 28th in points.  In 2014 in McAdoo's first year as OC, the Giants ranked 10th in yardage and 13th in points.  In 2015 in McAdoo's second (and final) year as OC, the Giants ranked 6th in points and 8th in yardage.  That's a pretty good track record as OC, although fairly limited.  I think we can all agree he was a failure as a HC and if Rhule gets fired and McAdoo takes his place full-time (beyond an interim role), I'm gonna be just as disappointed as most everyone else here.

McAdoo was also the playcaller when has the HC too.  So it can't be totally disregarded.  He called the plays his entire first year as HC.   He called them to start his 2nd year as HC too.  He got a lot of heat for the playcalling as HC and being too predictable.   Running the same plays over and over. 

 

 

[YourLastThought]

5 hours ago, 4Corners said:

Wow nice lettuce, Ben. You look like a 50 year old JTT with type 2 diabetes and just overcame a porn addiction 

Okay, post up your pics so we can analyze yours if we are playing that game. On another note, i bet you wouldn't say it to his face if you ever ran into him.

Edited June 1, 2022 by YourLastThought

[poundaway]

Mac took the 28th-highest-scoring offense in 2013  to 13th in 2014. In 2015, they  became the 6th.  In 2016, his first year as HC they went 11-5 and went to the playoffs. 

OBJ and a bunch of other guys got injured in 2017, and they royally sucked when they were expected for a deep playoff run.  Eli was benched for Geno, snapping Eli's  record for consecutive games, and there was talk of Eli leaving.  After that, they fired Mac  going 2-10 that year.

Mac has been a very successful OC, something Brady NEVER was.   Most of the HC heat was losing games and benching a beloved QB.   The "being too predictable" thing was last year's Panthers entire offensive playbook.  Robbie and multiple opposing CB's literally said it out loud. 

[MasterAwesome]

24 minutes ago, CRA said:

McAdoo was also the playcaller when has the HC too.  So it can't be totally disregarded.  He called the plays his entire first year as HC.   He called them to start his 2nd year as HC too.  He got a lot of heat for the playcalling as HC and being too predictable.   Running the same plays over and over. 

 

 

Sure we can't "totally disregard" it.  But I mean you have to see the flaws in comparing *HC w/ playcalling duties Ben McAdoo* to *OC Ben McAdoo* though, right?  I think by far the simplest and most rational explanation is that first-time HC Ben McAdoo had way too much on his plate in learning to be a head coach while choosing to maintain playcalling duties.  It takes a lot of experience to be a head coach and playcaller without one or both of those roles suffering as a result.  McAdoo clearly did not have that experience and it was foolish of him to try and juggle both full-time roles.

The alternative is that McAdoo came into a 28th ranked offense, transformed it into the 13th ranked offense in his first year as OC, further solidified it into the 6th ranked offense in his second year as OC, then just somehow forgot how to Offense in his third year with the Giants when he just so happened to coincidentally transition into his role as their head coach. 

Besides, considering you're a big fan of Joe Brady, then you should be really damn excited for McAdoo's offense if it's being characterized as "too predictable" and "running the same plays over and over" lol.

[ForJimmy]

2 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Best coaching hire so far. I really like this guy.

Either you McAdoo or you McAdon't!

What about Campen?

[poundaway]

5 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Besides, considering you're a big fan of Joe Brady, then you should be really damn excited for McAdoo's offense if it's being characterized as "too predictable" and "running the same plays over and over" lol.

[CRA]

37 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Sure we can't "totally disregard" it.  But I mean you have to see the flaws in comparing *HC w/ playcalling duties Ben McAdoo* to *OC Ben McAdoo* though, right?  I think by far the simplest and most rational explanation is that first-time HC Ben McAdoo had way too much on his plate in learning to be a head coach while choosing to maintain playcalling duties.  It takes a lot of experience to be a head coach and playcaller without one or both of those roles suffering as a result.  McAdoo clearly did not have that experience and it was foolish of him to try and juggle both full-time roles.

The alternative is that McAdoo came into a 28th ranked offense, transformed it into the 13th ranked offense in his first year as OC, further solidified it into the 6th ranked offense in his second year as OC, then just somehow forgot how to Offense in his third year with the Giants when he just so happened to coincidentally transition into his role as their head coach. 

Besides, considering you're a big fan of Joe Brady, then you should be really damn excited for McAdoo's offense if it's being characterized as "too predictable" and "running the same plays over and over" lol.

Well, I guess there is one more question to ask….how involved was Tom Coughlin in the playcalling when McAdoo was OC.  A long time stable NFL offensive guy.   How much of a factor was that Coughlin in making the McAdoo pure OC years okay…..vs McAdoo being blasted as a horrible playcaller as HC.

probably a mix of a lot things IMO.   Not sure taking on too much as a HC fully explains how bad his playcalling was received as HC. 

but in his defense, I guess we could factor in the NY market being the most brutal that exists too.   So they could of come at him harder than what he deserved 

*Rhule shouldn’t of hired Brady.   A team that hired him would have needed to put a green OC like that in a position to succeed and grow. And take lumps.  And nothing about year 2 was about that.    Joe Brady is only relevant in the context of the big picture mismanagement of the O.  And I simply refuse to allow him to the catch all for everyone else’s blunders in the mess.  They need to own there part in it.  And a lot of that is simply on Matt Rhule.  He hired a newb passing OC and gave him Sam Darnold, a bad OL, and basically no legit NFL mentorship to help lol.   The problem wasn’t so much Joe Brady but the architect of it all IMO. That’s designed to fail and predictably did just that. 

[rayzor]

5 hours ago, 4Corners said:

Wow nice lettuce, Ben. You look like a 50 year old JTT with type 2 diabetes and just overcame a porn addiction 

Quit being such a prick.

[Basbear]

Dang Mccadoo is soo much better in the interview setting than Rhule.

[poundaway]

55 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well, I guess there is one more question to ask….how involved was Tom Coughlin in the playcalling when McAdoo was OC.  

Coughlin was hands off. 

This is the Ben McAdoo show. It's his offense, and Giants coach Tom Coughlin is going to let his new coordinator handle the heavy lifting during the game.  "If he needs any help, I'm here," Coughlin said. "I've been a play-caller. To be honest, I never liked anyone interrupting me. "

BTW Coughlin was HC in 2013 when the O was ranked 28th.

[rayzor]

8 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Dang Mccadoo is soo much better in the interview setting than Rhule.

Rhule is still getting used to talking to adults.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, poundaway said:

  Most of the HC heat was losing games and benching a beloved QB.   The "being too predictable" thing was last year's Panthers entire offensive playbook.  Robbie and multiple opposing CB's literally said it out loud. 

I mean McAdoo coached in NY.  It’s pretty well documented his predictable playcalling while HC was one of the primary narratives.

I mean you can debate the why it was what it was….but to act like that wasn’t a McAdoo issue is just revisionist storytelling.  

 

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

Rhule is still getting used to talking to adults.

Rhule just seems soo nervous, like hes at court-energy. 2 Mccados interview- calm, gives the reporters enough crumbs to write a story but not too much. Answers like hes heard the question 50 times before, but doesnt give rude answers. I see why/how he won over the NYG area.