Report: Panthers staff not all on same page about acquiring Browns QB Baker Mayfield

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, SizzleBuzz said:

Wait, was that Sanjay?

Or Chuck?

Well it was under your current screen name, but Sanjay was your old one until someone asked you a personal question that set you off on a massive rant and got you banned (and yes, I remember the question)

But the more important question: Which story is true? Your dad passed nine years ago or was playing golf with Pat McCrory just a few weeks back?

I mean...you're not...lying, right?

[SizzleBuzz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well it was under your current screen name, but Sanjay was your old one until someone asked you a personal question that set you off on a massive rant and got you banned (and yes, I remember the question)

I’d be interested to hear the story…

…please do tell?

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Cabot addressed that...

The Browns have no plans to cut Mayfield, even if he’s still on the roster at the start of training camp in July, a league source tells cleveland.com.

With Mayfield under contract for a fully-guaranteed $18.86 million, it makes no sense for the Browns to cut him and take the entire hit. They’ll subtract whatever he makes from his next team from that amount, but it wouldn’t make much of a dent.

The Browns would be better off hanging onto Mayfield and seeing if a team is willing to take a sizable chunk of that salary off their hands in the event of a QB injury before the trade deadline, or the realization that their starter isn’t cutting it.

Cabot was the one who mentioned the "holding their breath" thing in the first place--like the Panthers are waiting on pins and needles for the Browns to cut Mayfield. I don't really see the point of the article, unless she's just being a pawn in some offseason gamesmanship by the Browns. And, again, we'll see what tune they're singing if Mayfield decides to become a distraction. 

Basically, the Browns overplayed their hand, and I doubt anyone in the league really cares when/if they cut Mayfield. Of course that's not to say someone won't sign him after they cut him, but I'd be pretty surprised if organizations, especially us, don't just stick to their guns and be opportunistic if it makes sense, even in the case of injury because Mayfield simply isn't worth the money or the draft compensatiom that a delusional Browns franchise would like to swindle some franchise out of. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Cabot was the one who mentioned the "holding their breath" thing in the first place--like the Panthers are waiting on pins and needles for the Browns to cut Mayfield. I don't really see the point of the article, unless she's just being a pawn in some offseason gamesmanship by the Browns. And, again, we'll see what tune they're singing if Mayfield decides to become a distraction. 

Basically, the Browns overplayed their hand, and I doubt anyone in the league really cares when/if they cut Mayfield. Of course that's not to say someone won't sign him after they cut him, but I'd be pretty surprised if organizations, especially us, don't just stick to their guns and be opportunistic if it makes sense, even in the case of injury because Mayfield simply isn't worth the money or the draft compensatiom that a delusional Browns franchise would like to swindle some franchise out of. 

Her exact quote:

If the Panthers and Seahawks are waiting for the Browns to cut Baker Mayfield so they can get him on the cheap, they better not hold their breath.

That's not an intimation that either team is doing so, just a use of the expression to say "that's not likely to happen".

Cabot first reported that the trade talks were dead in the water after the drafting of Corral. Ta this point, multiple sources in both Cleveland and Charlotte say it's still technically possible but the Browns would have to bend...a lot.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Her exact quote:

If the Panthers and Seahawks are waiting for the Browns to cut Baker Mayfield so they can get him on the cheap, they better not hold their breath.

That's not an intimation that either team is doing so, just a use of the expression to say "that's not likely to happen".

Cabot first reported that the trade talks were dead in the water after the drafting of Corral. Ta this point, multiple sources in both Cleveland and Charlotte say it's still technically possible but the Browns would have to bend...a lot.

That's the way you see it. I still don't see the point of the article, but possibly to drum up some interest. As a Panthers fan, I can surely do without her speculation as to our FO's thinking on the matter. We did what we did, and Tepper (who appeared in Panthers Confidential exactly like an owner letting his football guys make the decisions), Rhule, Fitterer, McAdoo and Ryan all appeared to be genuinely on one accord. The pre-Corral stuff at this late date is totally unnecessary in my opinion.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

Compared notes, she’s just repeating the stuff already said and being a Browns mouth piece to drum up offers. How is this right?

But whether Anderson likes it or not — and despite what Aaron Wilson of Pro Football Network reported last month as ”mutual disinterest” between the Panthers and Mayfield — it could happen sometime over the next couple of weeks.

Also, Aaron Wilson right in her article said there was mutual disinterest yet you have him in your post as if he’s supporting what she said.

We've been in on every QB article in the off-season. She hasn’t said anything that hasn’t been said before and now she’s putting out another fluff piece since Cleveland is still hoping they get something in return after having spent a ton on Watson. I don’t see anything she’s been right on in this case. It’s all conjecture and it wreaks of being Browns propaganda.

Also, where’s her inside Panthers sources that you and others are up to again make Rhule anti-Corral?

If you think Mary Kay Cabot is spouting propaganda for the Browns, I can pretty well guarantee you don't read her articles

I can add if you think she's portraying Matt Rhule as "anti-Corral", you probably haven't really read this one either. She simply said if the Panthers didn't like what they saw in Corral, they could return to pursuing Mayfield (which is a perfectly reasonable take).

Wilson did report mutual disinterest, but later also confirmed the Browns and Panthers were talking. Same as pretty much everyone reported during the draft.

I get that you're wanting to portray yourself as more reasonable than the rest of the unwashed masses, but you're off base here.

[Mr. Scot]

20 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's the way you see it. I still don't see the point of the article, but possibly to drum up some interest. As a Panthers fan, I can surely do without her speculation as to our FO's thinking on the matter. We did what we did, and Tepper (who appeared in Panthers Confidential exactly like an owner letting his football guys make the decisions), Rhule, Fitterer, McAdoo and Ryan all appeared to be genuinely on one accord. The pre-Corral stuff at this late date is totally unnecessary in my opinion.

Cabot doesn't work for the Browns and has no need to "drum up interest". Hell, it's probably better for her job if he's sticks around.

And while it's probably true that all the main guys are in unison when it comes to Corral, there's a lot less likelihood that's true when it comes to Mayfield.

Both Cabot and others have mentioned that Ben McAdoo wasn't exactly the biggest Baker Mayfield fan when he was drafted (adding that he wasn't really the biggest Sam Darnold fan either). It's not exactly a stretch to think he still might not be, although he's got no choice when it comes to Darnold.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you think Mary Kay Cabot is spouting propaganda for the Browns, I can pretty well guarantee you don't read her articles

I can add if you think she's portraying Matt Rhule as "anti-Corral", you probably haven't really read this one either. She simply said if the Panthers didn't like what they saw in Corral, they could return to pursuing Mayfield (which is a perfectly reasonable take).

Wilson did report mutual disinterest, but later also confirmed the Browns and Panthers were talking. Same as pretty much everyone reported during the draft.

I get that you're wanting to portray yourself as more reasonable than the rest of the unwashed masses, but you're off base here.

Yeah, we are getting deep into the conspiracy realm if we are taking THIS article as Browns propaganda. It's definitely not going to be effective propaganda, if that's what the attempt was.

The Browns are just likely waiting for someone to have TC or injury troubles and hoping that eventually someone is willing to budge a little to get Baker. You never know, we could be that team eventually. I am certain we are probably one of a fairly small group of teams that even has passing interest.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, we are getting deep into the conspiracy realm if we are taking THIS article as Browns propaganda. It's definitely not going to be effective propaganda, if that's what the attempt was.

The Browns are just likely waiting for someone to have TC or injury troubles and hoping that eventually someone is willing to budge a little to get Baker. You never know, we could be that team eventually. I am certain we are probably one of a fairly small group of teams that even has passing interest.

An interest that apparently isn't unanimous.

(which is hard to believe...why, exactly?)

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It is funny. OBJ had one year of injuries and McAdoo had the 31st ranked offense and got fired. If McAdoo was floated as a HC option after Rivera, none of the current supporters would have been happy at all.

I hope he and especially Corral work out but if they do Rhule’s not going anywhere. Sure, he liked Josh Allen, but we don’t know if he can develop a rookie yet. Rodgers was the MVP before McAdoo was his QB coach and Eli had already won 2 SBs before him.

Yeah, the idea of him being a QB whisperer are pretty hilarious. He was with two established, accomplished professional QB's. At best, he may have done some minor tweaking. At BEST.

I am pretty sure had we fired Rhule this past offseason(which we should have) and McAdoo was the hire, the bulk of this board would be up in arms about how we made another stupid hire.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

An interest that apparently isn't unanimous.

(which is hard to believe...why, exactly?)

I think the fans tend to believe that these organizations are monolithic despite all the insane amount of evidence that this is far from the truth. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I am reasonable. This is the typical post from you lately. Mary Kay has said nothing new and I’m sure you respect her stuff but every article you linked has been pure conjecture/repeating other same type of stuff. I mean, mentioning cap space is just silly. It’s a cap rollover world now, saying cap space as if it means we are more likely to trade for Mayfield is a joke. She already said a trade was on the verge and it wasn’t. We talked to everyone, Fitterer is quoted as saying that so of course we kicked the tires. You just turn it into a Rhule loves Mayfield as always.

Oh well, I’ll leave it alone. There will be another 10 threads on this type of topic before training camp.

Can you quote exactly where she said a trade was on the verge of happening or were those your words?

Having "the inside track" isn't the same as something being "on the verge of happening".

[ForJimmy]

Summary- it's the offseason and trades/info are going to get repeated on multiple posts/threads.  That's just how it goes on message boards centered around NFL teams that currently aren't playing any games.  Also we could be interested in one player one day and not the next (rosters change, opinions change etc..) that's just part of us doing our due diligence.  Lastly, Sizzle still doesn't know what the hell he is talking about, avoids direct questions (usually because they catch him in a lie or prove him wrong), and will continue to deflect and use emojis....

[trueblade]

To me, the obvious solution/outcome for both the Panthers and the Browns would be a trade of Sam Darnold for Baker Mayfield straight up. The money is a wash for both teams and both teams get a new QB to sell to their fan base. Cleveland simply sells the idea it was our terrible line plus a greenhorn OC that caused Sam's issues and that Darnold will thrive under Stefanski's QB friendly system.

The thing most likely holding it up is the uncertainty around Deshaun Watson's suspension.

I think the Browns feel good about Jacoby Brissett getting them through a six-game Watson suspension. They will want another option if Deshaun is out for longer.

Edited May 31, 2022 by trueblade