RPO Overreaction...?

[stirs]

We gave up more sacks than anyone, sometimes ghosts are real.

[iamhubby1]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

We gave up more sacks than anyone, sometimes ghosts are real.

 

Sacks happen. lol

[iamhubby1]

52 minutes ago, stirs said:

We gave up more sacks than anyone, sometimes ghosts are real.

 

There were 4 other teams that gave up more sacks.

 

Chicago led the league with 59 We had 52. So we were right there.

 

Bears-59

Ravens-57

Bengals-55

Jets-53

[Jackie Lee]

7 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

What about the people like @iamhubby1 whose favorite QB is Sam Darnold?

I wonder if he liked when we were running like 7 play action pass plays in a row without even handing the ball off. At least the QB has the option to run in the RPO. I think the scheme concern is all overrated, Corral had no problem hanging in the pocket in shotgun when he had decent weapons in 2020. He just ran a shitload last year because it was the only way to get 1st downs with the team he was playing for

[Jackie Lee]

3 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

The big IF this year is whether we can actually run the ball effectively? IF we can. That RPO is just that much more potent. I am excited for the possibilities.

We ran the ball effectively last year, the coaches just chose not to. Remember the Giants game where we were basically tied around halftime and then we threw it like 30 times in a row for no reason?

[panthers55]

The problem with the RPO  is exposing your qb to getting hit as a runner which allows a lot more potential for injury. Even Cam got hurt on occasion and he was built like a tight end. Corral isn't that big and got hurt on college running the ball.  He would get crunched in the NFL.

[imminent rogaine]

17 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The problem with the RPO  is exposing your qb to getting hit as a runner which allows a lot more potential for injury. Even Cam got hurt on occasion and he was built like a tight end. Corral isn't that big and got hurt on college running the ball.  He would get crunched in the NFL.

That’s read option. It’s different. With rpo, I think the QB just reads a particular player at the snap, maybe a lineback or a safety, and either hands it off or throws a pass. I think we did do this with Newton some and it often looked like a jumbled, poorly timed, play action where he had no time to actually pass and ended up taking a sack. 

[panthers55]

8 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

That’s read option. It’s different. With rpo, I think the QB just reads a particular player at the snap, maybe a lineback or a safety, and either hands it off or throws a pass. I think we did do this with Newton some and it often looked like a jumbled, poorly timed, play action where he had no time to actually pass and ended up taking a sack. 

I should have clarified that we won't be running an rpo spread offense like Corral ran in college. The spread offense puts your QB at risk in the NFL and McAdoo is supposedly good at scheming protections to help the QB while getting it out quickly. 

 

Just now, Pakmeng said:

RPO doesn't dictate that it's a QB run. That's a third option wrinkle. It's hand off, pass, then qb run.

Why does nobody know what this is 

How did Corral get 500 yards running the ball in Kiffins RPO spread. I thought you can only key off the linebacker and throw it or hand off to the running back. 

[thunderraiden]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Newton ran a Zone Read offense, not an RPO.

There are similarities, but they're not the same thing. RPOs have emerged more recently while use of the zone read has been significantly reduced  (at the pro level, at least).

Those of us who haven't been banned a dozen times or more by them might feel differently.

That's besides the point here, the point was that they didn't have "Pro-style Offenses" in college. It's like were having a conversation about someone's ability to speak English and I said someone's experience with Ukrainian shouldn't mean they can't learn English and someone says that someone else learned English after speaking Russian, not Ukrainian, so I shouldn't compare the two.. I hate that I just had to explain this this way. Or use "this this" in a sentence lol

Edit: lets not forget this: 

 

Edited May 23, 2022 by thunderraiden

[SizzleBuzz]

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

8 hours ago, Pakmeng said:

He'd be more fun to go to a game with than the mod squad that's for sure 

Sam Darnold or iamhubby1? Neither seems like they would be a pleasant hang.

CMC and the inimitable #59 hang out with Silver Platter Sam on a regular basis...

...must have different taste in friends vs. you...

[imminent rogaine]

8 hours ago, panthers55 said:

I should have clarified that we won't be running an rpo spread offense like Corral ran in college. The spread offense puts your QB at risk in the NFL and McAdoo is supposedly good at scheming protections to help the QB while getting it out quickly. 

 

How did Corral get 500 yards running the ball in Kiffins RPO spread. I thought you can only key off the linebacker and throw it or hand off to the running back. 

I’d expect spread to be one of the better formations for a QB to run out of, especially in college and  especially if you are using the play action look that comes with the rpo. Seems like it would help your QB find space and maybe get out of bounds.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, imminent rogaine said:

I’d expect spread to be one of the better formations for a QB to run out of, especially in college and  especially if you are using the play action look that comes with the rpo. Seems like it would help your QB find space and maybe get out of bounds.

Actually an RPO is a hybrid between play action and read option with differences in the keys and the blocking. And you can play action out of other offenses in addition to an RPO so it doesn't really mean they are connected. Play action is about faking run blocking and actually pass blocking not advancing to avoid a penalty versus an RPO which is a running play  unless you throw it  since you are run blocking and advancing. Passes have to be quick to avoid linemen downfield penalties.

The spread works in college but not as well in the pros unless you have guys who routinely win their 1 on 1 matchups on the line. Too much speed in the NFL. Otherwise it puts your QB at risk unless he can get the ball out or scramble and throw on the run. Attributes that made Corral attractive to us since he can do that. But having the ability doesn't make it preferable.  I expect we will run a timing passing game with a lot of dumpoffs, triple receiver sets,  Throws to get guys open in space one on one and count on yards after the catch to make up the yards. We will run quite a bit likely out of the shotgun and try to use motion and alignments to cause mismatches presnap rather than have to read defenders and then make decisions which may not be our qbs best ability for different reasons. We will likely use play action and some RPO plays, as well as some west coast principles while having big guys up front who can really run block and plow the road. 

[jayflip]

17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Newton ran a Zone Read offense, not an RPO.

There are similarities, but they're not the same thing. RPOs have emerged more recently while use of the zone read has been significantly reduced  (at the pro level, at least).

Those of us who haven't been banned a dozen times or more by them might feel differently.

I have never caught a ban hammer (yet) and consider myself one of the more level posters here but sheesh. CRA is aight mostly but LG is a tired trope right about now. 

[kungfoodude]

13 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

CMC and the inimitable #59 hang out with Silver Platter Sam on a regular basis...

...must have different taste in friends vs. you...

I mean, given how bad Sam is on the team I root for, it would probably just be awkward. Like, genuinely what would we talk about?